Brady's still got it
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Let's not kid ourselves here, Brady can still ball with the best of them. A line from an article I read this morning about last night's game:
It's not time for Brady to retire in the least bit, because he virtually put the team on his back and powered the Bucs through a 31-point game. Sunday night marked the first time since the NFL-AFL merger in which a team scored over 30 points while rushing for a measly 3 yards, per Stathead.
Brady completed 39 of 52 passes for 385 yards, three touchdowns and zero interceptions. That's 136 more passing yards and one less interception compared to Mahomes. Brady finished the game with a passer rating of 114.7, which is higher than Mahomes' passer rating of 97.7.
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I'll tell you what, I would gladly take Brady on the Panthers instead of the guy we have now, what's his name? Ah yes, Booger Mayfield.
The fumble on the kick-off set tone for the game. There was nothing Brady could do about that.
If Brady’s receivers can stay healthy, along with Fornet, the Bucks will be a contender until the end.
I agree, Tommy looked fantastic last night! was decisive with most throws and looked strong. It is amazing he can still do it at this level at 45. I remember being a Marino fan and watching him in 99, his last season. he seemed so old at that time. I knew he was washed. he was only 38 at the time. Brady still had 7 more pro bowl quality seasons ahead of him at that age.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Just one season Tom, please, I'm BEGGING you!
He still has the physical tools, plus it. But he needs the right cast around him, and for the chips to all fall correctly.
watch your head, i'm about to lob a turd into this punchbowl.
Brady's success last night didn't happen in a vacuum. he played great, yes. but he was also the product of a few very important nuggets: his weaponry being back on the field, NO running game (3 yards!), and playing from behind all night long against a -- therefore -- softish defense.
conversely, prior to last night's game when he was playing pitch-n-catch with a depleted cast, he looked pedestrian and, dare i say, 45-years-old
it's for these very reasons why love QBR. last night Mahomes threw for 136 fewer yards, just as many touchdowns, and one more pick than Brady. yet his QBR rating was 16.5 points higher.
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Great points Galaxy.
Mahomes didn't have to carry the offense as the Chiefs had 189 yards rushing vs. the Bucs 3.
So not a good game to compare QB's passing numbers.
Just a regular season game but nice to see Shaq Barrett eat his words about the Chiefs O-line
being about the same as they were in the Super Bowl. 189 yards rushing Shaq, has to be quite
a bit of good blocking going on correct?
"I'm sorry, I promise to retire next year" ................
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No sir, Tom Brady is not retiring, I can't allow it to happen. If his family wants to spend time with him they can just play Madden 23, just press the button and he'll always be there.
I tend to agree with this assessment. I know better than count him out, but Brady, to me at least, has not looked as potent this season thus far, as he has in years past. maybe that will change. His stat line last night was impressive but Blake Bortles had plenty of those games, too (with a couple INTs thrown in) when all you could do virtually every down is sling the ball against a softer D willing to let you eat the clock to win the game.
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It is pretty obvious that Brady is not at his peak any longer. He is good to ok, between elite and average. Why keep playing at this point? I think he should have stayed retired and who know what this is doing to his family.
OTH, Mr. Mayfield's QBR so far this season is, wait for it, 15. Yes, really, that bad. No other full starter is close to that bad. Yikes........
@thisistheshow said: He still has the physical tools, plus it. But he needs the right cast around him, and for the chips to all fall correctly.
Can't this be said for any NFL QB??
...Good point. LOL. Actually, I am not sure why I wrote that. A better point would be that even at this stage of his career he can do more with less and with less "luck" than just about any other QB.
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As a self-proclaimed Brady whisperer, I can attest with full confidence that he has looked anything but pedestrian at any time this year. Same guy. Where's my other Brady whisperer @craig44 ? What say you?
ok, here we go.
I have watched his every snap this season. as for the chiefs game... there is no doubt Brady played the better game. the fact that there was NO run offense makes it more difficult on the QB not easier. there is no play action. that is what made Zappe look better for the pats. they were ripping 5-10 yards on almost every run so the play action makes things so much easier. when you look at the other side, Mahomes had the ADVANTAGE of having a working running game.
for the other brady games, there has been much talk about the playcalling of Leftwich. the first 3 games were very predictable. first down run for 1 yard then 2nd and 3rd and long. seemingly every single drive. He cant seem to scheme WR open. He makes them get open on athleticism alone. I think Ariens had a much bigger hand in the offensive prep and playcalling than we knew the last 2 seasons.
that, paired with brady missing most weapons has been a huge problem. even against the chiefs, Julio barely played, and Brate was out for the 2nd half.
every QB needs weapons.
usually the first sign that a QB is washed is when they get the yips. they start looking around for the rush and look generally uncomfortable in the pocket, either throwing balls away prematurely or constantly checking down instead of waiting for long plays to develop. so far this season, I have not seen this with Tommy. Most QB, it is not the arm that goes, it is defensive pressure and decision making that go first.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
as far as Mahomes having a better day passing than Tommy, hogwash. if QBR rates the player with worse completion %, less yardage same td and more int as better, there is something seriously wrong with that metric.
maybe it rates td passes that are flipped 4 yards into the end zone as higher due to "style points"
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
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Having another set of eyeballs (via @craig44 ) saying that they are seeing what I saw makes me think Brady is going to adjust his goal of playing until he sucks. I think that this is his final year, and I do not foresee him sucking.
I think calling Brady "pedestrian" is a little harsh, but no more than saying he has played very well is an "over-statement" of what's been happening. Though I think he still has something left in the tank I figure we'll get a better understanding of that in the second half of the season.
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Ok, we'll let things play out ...
when you can't run the ball and eschew it altogether because you're playing from behind the entire game against a D whose primary focus slowly shifts to keeping receivers in front of their defenders, it sets the stage for some empty calories and QBR picks up on that. in Brady's defense, that's not his fault. in more defense of him, the reason the Bucs lost that game was not because of him. it was due to the aforementioned lack of balance and their vaunted defense being unable to get off the field. if a Mahomes-led team punts the ball one time the entire game, said Mahomes-led team is going to win........period, end of story, i don't care who the QB of the other team is.
i know this is gonna be quite the revelation, but Brady's success moving forward will be contingent on the team as a whole. so whether you think he has looked pedestrian, has looked marvelous at age 45 or anything in between, he's not going to accomplish squat by himself. he may be 45 and look 35 because he drinks avocado smoothies with hammerhead shark left-nut extract, but he's not hercules. that we can hopefully all agree on. if the defense plays like crap the way they did against the Chiefs, no more rings. if Evans, Godwin and Brate can't get on the field and Brady has craig44, Maywood and galaxy27 to throw to, no more rings. if the entire collection of players on that roster are able to contribute and do so to the best of their abilities, then perhaps another one.
but rest assured the predominant narrative for #8, if the stars align, will be Tom Brady's greatness. make no mistake about that. there will be probably be at least a handful of such thread creations in this forum alone, and thus completely buried in the shuffle and never allowed to breathe air will be the actual team accomplishment.
and then dallasactuary will uber to a bar and pound buttery nipples.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Well seems he isn't going to "Have it" anymore................Wonder how this will affect his season???
"Tom Brady and Gisele Bündchen seem to be heading for the end zone: Both have retained divorce lawyers, multiple sources tell Page Six exclusively.
As previously revealed, the couple have been living separately for the past couple months following an epic fight — and they’re now apparently looking at dividing up their multimillion-dollar empire."
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Dude screwed up big time, his desire to play into his lesser years just messed up his family. How embarrassing, does not understand when to walk away at the top, and prioritized rough and tumble with the guys over family after being GOAT. Wow just proved he is not such a smart dude after all. Good on ya' Gisele, you did the right thing as your hubby chose shoulder pad rubbing over you this year..............
Hope he tanks big time from hereon, it is deserved. Let's go for a QB rating of 75 for the season, where will that leave him? Oh, down with Mayfield LOFL.
Who cares who had a better passing day, Mahomes and Company dropped 41 points on a defense
only giving up 10 points per game.
When Brady does that this season come back and let's have a discussion about who the best QB is at this point in time.
QBR takes into account all facets of QB play.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_quarterback_rating
I would say this not only describes the 2022 tampa bay bucs and Tommy, but every winning team in the history of pro football. While Tommy, Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers etc may be the most important players on the offensive side of the ball, they are not returning punts or dropping back in coverage. I agree, the defense did not show up for Tampa. not much tommy or any other qb can do about that. 31 points should be enough for a win most sundays.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
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In all seriousness, I personally do not (and neither does the GOAT himself) attribute his plethora of SB wins and appearances to Brady alone-despite the narrative created by some who feel that even saying that a player won a SB is disingenuous and should instead be phrased as something like having played on a SB winning team. But Brady's contributions go beyond Xs and Os and goes even beyond just the offense. 😎
@craig44 & @thisistheshow
i know you guys are Brady fans, but i also know you're knowledgeable & perceptible. i neither like nor dislike the guy, i simply lay in impartial weeds and watch from afar. in my opinion, he is no doubt the greatest quarterback of all time. i have no qualms bestowing him that honor. it's the amount of praise he receives that i have a problem with. it's heavily distorted. it bothers me to a lesser extent than it does someone like @dallasactuary, but make no mistake -- i still notice it.
quick, name the last time you heard or read anyone mention the primary reason why it was Brady vs. Mahomes and not Rodgers vs. Mahomes in LV to begin with? if you watched every snap of the 2021 NFC Championship game, and i assume both of you did, then i'm quite confident that you guys will admit that the defense saved them that day. this is an excerpt from the recap of that game, and to his credit even Brady admitted it:
"he owes the Tampa Bay defense....." was my exact takeaway after watching that game. and that's the problem i personally have when TB is showered with plaudits post-SB. for every one mention of the defense making #7 a possibility, there's 99 mentions of Brady's (now) 7 rings and his greatness. that's my beef.
again, i'm neither pro- nor anti-Tom Brady. just a dweeb who has an affinity for equity in sports. and that is something that's sorely lacking when the quarterback position is discussed: always, always too much credit for wins, and always, always too much blame for losses.
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Brady has another distraction called divorce. We will see if this effects his performance.
Amen!
And at the risk of annoying perkdog yet again, what you just said is the defining line between those who understand football and those who don't. It is not possible to disagree with your statement and to understand football. It's one or the other.
without actually looking, wouldnt virtually all super bowl winning teams have at least an above average defense at worst?
I dont think anyone is saying Tommy (or any other QB) has ever won a SB by himself. The QB position is the most important position on the offensive side of the ball. Offense is generally considered the marque side of the ball. over the years, the starting QB has been looked at as the field general and due the most praise/blame. it is the general perception. has been for decades.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
as for those getting all bent out of shape by people saying "Brady won 7 SB" "Montana won 4 SB" etc. it is just semantics. it is simply easier to say/type Aikman won 3 SB than Aikman was the QB on 3 teams who won the SB.
I dont think anyone here is intimating that one player on a football team "won" a SB single handedly. It is exactly the same as saying that Charles Haley "won" 5 super bowls. In fact, he did. so did all of his other teammates on those 5 winning teams.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Don't look so down Tom, with Gisele out of the way you're a bachelor again. Savior the lifestyle while you have it, grow a mustache and get freaky in a pair of tighty whities on a Friday night!
i totally get what you're saying, but i don't think you're understanding what i am.
seriously, name the last time you read or heard anyone mention what the Tampa defense did in that NFC Champ game. since the last time you have, i guarantee you've been inundated with TB greatness and the number 7. it's buried in the sea of praise for #12, and that's what i have a hard time with. without that performance, he's still stuck on 6. can someone just please briefly mention that at some point amid all of the adulation?
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
and in other news, Cole Beasley retired today after signing with the Bucs just two weeks ago.
why?
because he didn't want to be away from his family anymore.
you can't make this stuff up...
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
@galaxy27 there are many quotes (quotations) famously trying to sum up what luck is. I bring this up because Brady has certainly needed his fair share of it to get to this point.
Luck is where preparation meets opportunity
Luck is the residue of design
Of course there are many more.
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Let me get back to this later, I'll leave it at that for now.
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I hear ya. I don't get miffed by it, but I bet I would if I hadn't grown up immersed and fully submerged in Patriots land.
And I think you are mostly wrong. When people say Tom Brady "won 7 SB", they generally follow that with "that's why he's the GOAT" or something similar. They don't say that about Charles Haley, Gerry Mullins or Marv Fleming, and for good reason - SB wins aren't evidence of GOAT-hood. Except, you know, quarterbacks.
So yes, it should just be semantics, and I know for you it is just semantics. But for those who are members of the Church of the QB - and there are LOTS of them here - it is not semantics, it is a fundamental misunderstanding of football, and team sports in general.
A quick 5 minute google search brought up all of these news reports lauding the Bucs Defense against the packers in the 2020 NFCCG. I am sure if I took the time to look through youtube, there would be many of the well known talking heads praising the defense.
as far as the SB vs the Chiefs, I remember very well all the praise heaped onto Todd Bowles and the TB defense for the job they did against KC. I am sure there would be 10 times as many news reports lauding the defense after the SB.
I mean, is it possible you are not as impartial as you think? I know for a fact I am very very far from impartial when talking about my Tommy. I fully realize though, that Tommy has never single-handedly "won" a SB. No player ever has. Is he the single most important player on his side of the ball? Absolutely. but even i realize he has never dropped into coverage or kicked a FG.
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George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
To add that it is definitely not all up to the QB when it comes to wins and losses in the big game, look at Tommys performance in SB 52. He had a MONSTER game with over 500 yards and 3 TD. It certainly wasnt his fault NE lost that game, but the talking heads mostly made mention that Foles "outdueled" Brady to win that SB
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
again, not saying he doesn't deserve praise, just saying it's inordinate. heck, even another ardent Pats/Brady backer in this very thread tacitly agreed and said his perception is skewed, but wouldn't be if he wasn't a fan. the fact that you had to turn to google to find archived articles about the Tampa D solidifies my point. i don't have to go anywhere -- we're having this very discussion in yet another Brady pedestal thread. i submit that as time passes, the inverse relationship between who is mentioned and who isn't as it pertains to ring #7 will become more and more pronounced.
dallas said it best up above when he stated that it's not possible to disagree with the statement that quarterbacks receive too much credit for a team's success and to understand football -- it's either one or the other.
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there are certain athletes for whom the vast majority will consider them GOATS of their sports: Jordan, Ruth, Gretzky/Orr and Brady. these type players will receive an inordinate amount of praise for their contributions to their teams. And for a goat player, I would say they deserve lots of praise. much more than other players because their play is at a level far surpassing other players. In a team sport, that praise will seem excessive to some, as no player can single handedly win a game/title.
I suppose in a sport like boxing or tennis, one player could deservedly receive all praise.
I think that recency bias also plays a part here. I remember back when Jordan was active, I felt much the same way you do about Tommy. that he was being fawned over and lauded far too much. but I also couldnt stand the bulls or Jordan. 20 years removed, I can much better see his contributions and greatness. The Patriots and Tommy are hated by many right now. I would imagine that 20-30 years from now, those feelings will mello and discussions like this will be fewer.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
@craig44 remember those infamous debates we had when stevek was around regarding who deserves the lion's share of the credit for the Pats' championship run, Brady or Belichick? if you go back and read those, i was opining vociferously on behalf of TB. so don't think i'm inherently anti-Brady, because that's just not the case.
and btw, i do recall a ton of chatter about Foles outdueling Brady in that SB. that was utter nonsense. imo, Brady would now have 8 if BB had simply played Butler. TB did everything in his power (505, 3, 0) to overcome a defense that made Nick Foles look like Johnny Unitas.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Right now, Brady is definitely a goat to his wife, soon to be ex......................