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Q: How Does a Coin Grade UNC DETAILS? Was it Cleaned or Does It Just Not "Look" Right?

RichRRichR Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited October 1, 2022 4:36PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Over the years, I've had a few coins returned from grading as both "Unc Details" & "Cleaned"

What is the difference...and can an Unc Details coin tone over time to actually grade on a resubmission?


  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't know how toning would remove whatever "details" problem the coin originally had.

  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,311 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Go to the below link and click no grade for more information on this. For pcgs there will be a 'no grade' code number.

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,672 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A coin can go forever and still be cleaned.

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  • RichRRichR Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    [A coin can go forever and still be cleaned.]

    True...but if not cleaning, what triggers an Unc Details grade?

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unc Details can be a number of things besides cleaned, like: questionable color, holed, polished, damaged, edge filed, graffiti, etc...
    A cleaned coin can also be any grade level (from poor to unc).

    A cleaned unc details might straight grade in the future if the cleaning is not obvious, if the coin tones enough to mask the cleaning (again for those that aren't obviously cleaned), or if the coin is "circulated" enough to wear down the evidence of cleaning.

  • lermishlermish Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unc, as mentioned earlier is just referring to the characteristics of the coin. The Unc grade is completely unrelated to the details issue.

    Details is stating that, separate from the grade of the coin, there is some sort of an issue preventing a straight numeric grade. Cleaning is probably the most common but there's scratches, artificial toning, repairs, and on and on.


  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,398 ✭✭✭✭

    @RichR said:
    [A coin can go forever and still be cleaned.]

    True...but if not cleaning, what triggers an Unc Details grade?

    See the links already posted a couple of times. That will explain it all to you.

  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,080 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A lot of semantics and occasional lack of reproducibility at play when it comes to these designations IMHO. I have been to shows and seen rows upon rows of certified copper/bronze Indians and Lincolns that are not designated cleaned with colors not quite natural, and generally just very lightly toned to pass muster. To be clear I am not saying all of those seen, but interestingly particular dealer displays; all this could be dismissed but I do have some excellent background in chemistry and crystallography (a term hardly used anymore). Without giving away my opinion, when I showed these coins to a couple of other well-grounded longtime numismatists, they agreed. I also note on occasion there being silver coins with similar "issues" that are displayed even on these boards with analogous issues.

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  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unc details is a coin that has the sharpness in strike/device as an uncirculated coin yet has been wiped or harshly dipped.

    A cleaned coin can be any state of wear.

  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RichR said:
    [A coin can go forever and still be cleaned.]

    True...but if not cleaning, what triggers an Unc Details grade?

    I have a Trade Dollar that is unc details. A nice coin but labeled as having a streak removed. There is a little line of damage, looks like pitting, on the reverse probably from a rubber band or something. So they did not give it a straight grade and put it in a UNC Details holder.

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