A great hole stuffer for the 1793 chain large cent
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I just got this so-called copy of the 1793 chain large cent. looks like any electrotype or maybe something else.
Looks much like the real deal. Comments?
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I like it
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Could have fooled me. Do you see traces of a seam on the edge?
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I like it as well
The 1793 looks like it is a bit too close to the rim, but that could just be the photo.
Edited to add: The font of the date also looks off, but I'm not at home to compare it to mine.
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That looks scary to me, because it doesn't say 'copy'. If you put that on eBay I bet it would get some crazy bids, astounding how many people bid on fakes as if they're real.
It does not look genuine to me, but I am not a specialist of early copper.
No there are absolutely no traces of a seam on the edge.
Does the seem , if there, indicate it is an electrotype?
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It’s a pretty close copy of a genuine S-2.
The date and chain appear to have been strengthened and some of the script features of the lettering slightly exaggerated.
Also looks like it is or was a bright pink, then artificially darkened….and it’s wearing off on the high points.
My first inclination is to look at this coin and declare it to be a modern replica artificially aged.
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It definitely feels off to me. The links appear too fat and the E in ONE CENT is close but does not touch a link on the reverse of S-2. The reverse font looks wrong, as someone else said. I don't think this matches any of the Chain die pairs.
Yes. The seam is where the two shells come together. The counterfeiters make every effort to polish away the seam and may electroplate over it with copper io hide it.
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Wow... that's rather convincing... there's some oddness around the date (font??) but it looks like a pretty good copy.
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Indeed.........
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My S-1 is pretty good as well!
Your "S-2" and a genuine one:
I think i see a seem around the edge esp at 7-9oclock
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That is a pretty good copy. I am not expert on old copper, so would always seek help before a purchase. Cheers, RickO
does a seem mean that it is probably an electrotype?
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Yes.
Perhaps the first thing to look for is evidence of a seam around the edge of the coin where the two halves were joined together. This will usually appear as a very thin, dark line running through the center of the edge. The micrograph shows such a seam. In some cases, the faker will try to eradicate this seam or at least make it less noticeable by filing or burnishing its edge.
In some instances, the base metal interior of an electrotype can be seen as its outer shell becomes worn. This is one instance that detecting an electrotype fake can be done with the naked eye
The date gives it away as fake. Good hole filler, though.
Look at the funky looking "Y" in LIBERTY.
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This discussion reminds me of the one electrotype I own of an early US issue, one of a 1793 half cent, made approx in the 1890s or so, per the dealer I bought it from. At the time I spent $100, not nothing but of course far from what an actual original VF would cost. I wonder if that price would hold up today? Not sure of the (any) demand for vintage electrotypes.
While it certainly could deceive, as made, it was meant to be just a cheap placeholder/study piece (and it fills the same role today!)
TO THOSE IN THE KNOW, IS THIS AN ELECTROTYPE OR NOT?
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I'm sorry to say that this is a modern cast counterfeit. It's not a contemporary electrotype.
Early American Copper, Bust and Seated.
An example posted in one of my Groups; unfortunately no edge image:
Electro or cast.
nice example.
i for sure would need to do a comp on something like that prior to purchase.
the edge pic is a little tough to read. is that a seam?
i do not see a seam
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