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OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,626 ✭✭✭✭✭

Sorry @U1chicago, I stole this picture from you to make a point.

How the heck does this get a straight grade.........

....and this one doesn't???

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  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,156 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think you have to buy the Morgan now (or compensate for any negative publicity). :D

    In general, Morgans and Lincolns are very different on how they tone.
    The Lincoln Cent you show has the appearance of MS70 being applied. This is a controversial topic (see prior threads) as some think it's an artificial enhancer while others think it just reveals the color that was hidden. NGC often lets Lincolns with that look straight grade while other TPGs aren't as forgiving.

  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dang. That’s one ugly morgan. Sorry, there’ll be many who love it and marvel at the natural toning. I know I know 🤨

    🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,156 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is what Legend had to say about the Morgan; feel free to agree or disagree.

    "This is a dramatic and scarcely offered dual sided borderline monster toner. We love the look and have named both sides separately.

    The obverse is Berry Blast. Sparkling blues and reds look like a big bowl of blueberries, raspberries, blackberries, and cranberries. We rate the color a 9 on our ten point scale.

    The reverse is called Eagle Spotlight. Brilliant tangerine dominates, mingling with soft blue and red toning, save for a circle of untoned brilliance that shines on the eagle's head. The color rates an 8+.

    Taken together this near-GEM has a sensational look, the colors enlivened by the underlying mint brilliance. The eye appeal is superb!"

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,626 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 25, 2022 12:48PM

    @U1chicago said:
    I think you have to buy the Morgan now (or compensate for any negative publicity). :D

    In general, Morgans and Lincolns are very different on how they tone.
    The Lincoln Cent you show has the appearance of MS70 being applied. This is a controversial topic (see prior threads) as some think it's an artificial enhancer while others think it just reveals the color that was hidden. NGC often lets Lincolns with that look straight grade while other TPGs aren't as forgiving.

    Yes, this toning thing always seems to be a touchy subject. The only problem is, I know for a fact that 46-D was in a Whitman folder (and never touched) since I was a kid back in the 60's. Can't say where is was before that.

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,156 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @U1chicago said:
    I think you have to buy the Morgan now (or compensate for any negative publicity). :D

    In general, Morgans and Lincolns are very different on how they tone.
    The Lincoln Cent you show has the appearance of MS70 being applied. This is a controversial topic (see prior threads) as some think it's an artificial enhancer while others think it just reveals the color that was hidden. NGC often lets Lincolns with that look straight grade while other TPGs aren't as forgiving.

    Yes, this toning thing always seems to be touchy subject. The only problem is, I know for a fact that 46-D was in a Whitman folder (and never touched) since I was a kid back in the 60's. Can't say where is was before that.

    Anacs could have just been conservative or has a policy to be less kind to cents with this look.
    You can try NGC but it's likely not worth the grading fees (only worth it for the peace of mind/tuition).

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,626 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @U1chicago said:

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @U1chicago said:
    I think you have to buy the Morgan now (or compensate for any negative publicity). :D

    In general, Morgans and Lincolns are very different on how they tone.
    The Lincoln Cent you show has the appearance of MS70 being applied. This is a controversial topic (see prior threads) as some think it's an artificial enhancer while others think it just reveals the color that was hidden. NGC often lets Lincolns with that look straight grade while other TPGs aren't as forgiving.

    Yes, this toning thing always seems to be touchy subject. The only problem is, I know for a fact that 46-D was in a Whitman folder (and never touched) since I was a kid back in the 60's. Can't say where is was before that.

    Anacs could have just been conservative or has a policy to be less kind to cents with this look.
    You can try NGC but it's likely not worth the grading fees (only worth it for the peace of mind/tuition).

    True, it's not worth the grading. I just liked the look of it. It looks better in hand.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,291 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @U1chicago said:
    Here is what Legend had to say about the Morgan; feel free to agree or disagree.

    "This is a dramatic and scarcely offered dual sided borderline monster toner. We love the look and have named both sides separately.

    The obverse is Berry Blast. Sparkling blues and reds look like a big bowl of blueberries, raspberries, blackberries, and cranberries. We rate the color a 9 on our ten point scale.

    The reverse is called Eagle Spotlight. Brilliant tangerine dominates, mingling with soft blue and red toning, save for a circle of untoned brilliance that shines on the eagle's head. The color rates an 8+.

    Taken together this near-GEM has a sensational look, the colors enlivened by the underlying mint brilliance. The eye appeal is superb!"

    Wow! I wouldn't expect such hype from a respected auction company.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 25, 2022 1:06PM

    @U1chicago said:

    @Jzyskowski1 said:
    Dang. That’s one ugly morgan. Sorry, there’ll be many who love it and marvel at the natural toning. I know I know 🤨

    Every negative comment must send compensation to yours truly. PM for payment remittance info. ;)
    If everyone on here makes enough negative comments, each share will be small. Then I can crack the coin out and mail it to whoever hates it the most so they can toss it in the junk bin.

    You send it to me and I’ll dip the heck out of it and put it in my morgan folder. Also, hate is a strong word. I certainly don’t hate it. It’s a 90% silver coin.
    That is a laughable description. 😁. Sounds like they were on acid and went to another universe to describe it. 😂

    🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,156 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jzyskowski1 said:

    @U1chicago said:

    @Jzyskowski1 said:
    Dang. That’s one ugly morgan. Sorry, there’ll be many who love it and marvel at the natural toning. I know I know 🤨

    Every negative comment must send compensation to yours truly. PM for payment remittance info. ;)
    If everyone on here makes enough negative comments, each share will be small. Then I can crack the coin out and mail it to whoever hates it the most so they can toss it in the junk bin.

    You send it to me and I’ll dip the heck out of it and put it in my morgan folder. Also, hate is a strong word. I certainly don’t hate it. It’s a 90% silver coin.
    That is a laughable description. 😁. Sounds like they were on acid and went to another universe to describe it. 😂

    You are up to two comments at 5 per....a few hundred more and its yours. :D

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,156 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @U1chicago said:
    Here is what Legend had to say about the Morgan; feel free to agree or disagree.

    "This is a dramatic and scarcely offered dual sided borderline monster toner. We love the look and have named both sides separately.

    The obverse is Berry Blast. Sparkling blues and reds look like a big bowl of blueberries, raspberries, blackberries, and cranberries. We rate the color a 9 on our ten point scale.

    The reverse is called Eagle Spotlight. Brilliant tangerine dominates, mingling with soft blue and red toning, save for a circle of untoned brilliance that shines on the eagle's head. The color rates an 8+.

    Taken together this near-GEM has a sensational look, the colors enlivened by the underlying mint brilliance. The eye appeal is superb!"

    Wow! I wouldn't expect such hype from a respected auction company.

    It suggests that they liked it. I don't see why else they would say that.

  • gonzergonzer Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @U1chicago said:
    I think you have to buy the Morgan now (or compensate for any negative publicity). :D

    In general, Morgans and Lincolns are very different on how they tone.
    The Lincoln Cent you show has the appearance of MS70 being applied. This is a controversial topic (see prior threads) as some think it's an artificial enhancer while others think it just reveals the color that was hidden. NGC often lets Lincolns with that look straight grade while other TPGs aren't as forgiving.

    Yes, this toning thing always seems to be a touchy subject. The only problem is, I know for a fact that 46-D was in a Whitman folder (and never touched) since I was a kid back in the 60's. Can't say where is was before that.

    I even doubt MS70 was manufactured in the 60's.

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,156 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gonzer said:

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @U1chicago said:
    I think you have to buy the Morgan now (or compensate for any negative publicity). :D

    In general, Morgans and Lincolns are very different on how they tone.
    The Lincoln Cent you show has the appearance of MS70 being applied. This is a controversial topic (see prior threads) as some think it's an artificial enhancer while others think it just reveals the color that was hidden. NGC often lets Lincolns with that look straight grade while other TPGs aren't as forgiving.

    Yes, this toning thing always seems to be a touchy subject. The only problem is, I know for a fact that 46-D was in a Whitman folder (and never touched) since I was a kid back in the 60's. Can't say where is was before that.

    I even doubt MS70 was manufactured in the 60's.

    The MS70 suggestion was made before the original poster mentioned he had the coin since the 1960s.
    If it was in an album, that is the likely source of the toning (unless it was already toned when placed into the album).

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,626 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With the above started and we're all being honest here, I did use verdi-care on this coin several years ago. I haven't submitted it. Don't believe I will. I do like the results though.

    Before:

    After:

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with @TomB.... Cheers, RickO

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,156 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    I'll state two things and then likely duck out of the thread.

    The first is that I find it distasteful, at minimum, and downright vindictive or targeting to choose a coin that a member is selling on the BST in a non-fraudulent manner and then start a thread such as this. It's not a good look and it's not good form. The second is that the comparison coins are made of entirely different metallic compositions with one being silver and the other copper. Different metals tend to tone in different ways, regardless of how they are stored.

    There is an unwritten rule to not speak about items being currently sold and I think it’s generally best to follow that. I didn’t originally think @OAKSTAR was being vindictive (we talked via PM and that was confirmed). So all is well (and will be even more well when my Morgan finally sells :D ).

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,792 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gonzer said:

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @U1chicago said:
    I think you have to buy the Morgan now (or compensate for any negative publicity). :D

    In general, Morgans and Lincolns are very different on how they tone.
    The Lincoln Cent you show has the appearance of MS70 being applied. This is a controversial topic (see prior threads) as some think it's an artificial enhancer while others think it just reveals the color that was hidden. NGC often lets Lincolns with that look straight grade while other TPGs aren't as forgiving.

    Yes, this toning thing always seems to be a touchy subject. The only problem is, I know for a fact that 46-D was in a Whitman folder (and never touched) since I was a kid back in the 60's. Can't say where is was before that.

    I even doubt MS70 was manufactured in the 60's.

    There was the equivalent...or worse.

  • ElmerFusterpuckElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Even though it turned out to be "non-vindictive", this is still a borderline junk thread and it is pretty poor form to post a coin that is actively up for sale. As for straight grade, it's in a straight grade holder now isn't it? It really helps to look at lots and lots of toned coins, and this isn't anything I haven't seen before. The colors/toning may not be for everyone but it looks NT all the way; the "pullaway" toning around the devices is a good bet for that.

    @TomB already nailed the ickiness of this thread.

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