@alaura22 said:
I believe until we start to prosecute this people it's never going to end
Good luck prosecuting foreign nationals living outside the US.
The counterfeiting of coins that were produced before the creation of communist China in 1949 is not illegal in China.
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@alaura22 said:
I believe until we start to prosecute this people it's never going to end
Good luck prosecuting foreign nationals living outside the US.
The counterfeiting of coins that were produced before the creation of communist China in 1949 is not illegal in China.
Exactly. And I really don't think cast counterfeits of Morgan dollars in Asia are high on the list of foreign policy concerns in the region. Heck, they've been doing them for 75+ years as souvenirs
I can't remember where I read it, but some guy got busted for importing a bunch of fake gold bars in fake holders like pamp and credit suisse. Maybe some fake slabs, too. The guy was obviously going to try to pass them off as legit. But it was a massive shipment. I bet one or two wouldn't attract customs enforcement.
@tcollects said:
I can't remember where I read it, but some guy got busted for importing a bunch of fake gold bars in fake holders like pamp and credit suisse. Maybe some fake slabs, too. The guy was obviously going to try to pass them off as legit. But it was a massive shipment. I bet one or two wouldn't attract customs enforcement.
He was arrested for importing. Did nothing to the exporter. It's the equivalent of arresting the 16 year old street corner drug dealer while the cartel leaders are living large in Mexico or Colombia.
There are so many counterfeits coming out of China right now that it's nauseating. My poor dad got taken by some Chinese counterfeiters a few months ago, when he bought a couple dozen "American Silver Eagles" for $19 each, and of course they were fakes, and very good fakes I might add which is what is so scary. They are not obvious fakes, and could easily pass for the read deal.
@dsessom said:
There are so many counterfeits coming out of China right now that it's nauseating. My poor dad got taken by some Chinese counterfeiters a few months ago, when he bought a couple dozen "American Silver Eagles" for $19 each, and of course they were fakes, and very good fakes I might add which is what is so scary. They are not obvious fakes, and could easily pass for the read deal.
They are located in London so once again they are outside the reach of the Secret Service. If your father paid with a credit card, he should call the credit card company and reverse the charge.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Some scams are obvious.... If it looks like a great deal, beware. Others, like @dsessom just posted, are dangerous and obviously working... People are not going to be 'giving away' good coins... most of the time, bargains are not. Cheers, RickO
@tcollects said:
I can't remember where I read it, but some guy got busted for importing a bunch of fake gold bars in fake holders like pamp and credit suisse. Maybe some fake slabs, too. The guy was obviously going to try to pass them off as legit. But it was a massive shipment. I bet one or two wouldn't attract customs enforcement.
When you read further down in the description, they do say "American Plated Silver Eagles coin" and "plated" in another paragraph. But have to agree... very deceptive looking.
@dsessom said:
There are so many counterfeits coming out of China right now that it's nauseating. My poor dad got taken by some Chinese counterfeiters a few months ago, when he bought a couple dozen "American Silver Eagles" for $19 each, and of course they were fakes, and very good fakes I might add which is what is so scary. They are not obvious fakes, and could easily pass for the read deal.
They are located in London so once again they are outside the reach of the Secret Service. If your father paid with a credit card, he should call the credit card company and reverse the charge.
Good catch. It may be easier to go after them in London.
Odd, they've taped over the Trueview icon on the slab, but not the cert number... I just checked out the "1893-CC" Morgan that should have an image, but it doesn't... is the vendor taking advantage of the lag in getting TV's posted? The font on the reverse and mint mark placement seem a bit "off", but the cert number is for an MS63 '93-CC...
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@lkenefic said:
Odd, they've taped over the Trueview icon on the slab, but not the cert number... I just checked out the "1893-CC" Morgan that should have an image, but it doesn't... is the vendor taking advantage of the lag in getting TV's posted? The font on the reverse and mint mark placement seem a bit "off", but the cert number is for an MS63 '93-CC...
Not sure what you are referring to- the PCGS cert does have an image and I posted it above with the cert verification
image...
@lkenefic said:
Odd, they've taped over the Trueview icon on the slab, but not the cert number... I just checked out the "1893-CC" Morgan that should have an image, but it doesn't... is the vendor taking advantage of the lag in getting TV's posted? The font on the reverse and mint mark placement seem a bit "off", but the cert number is for an MS63 '93-CC...
Not sure what you are referring to- the PCGS cert does have an image and I posted it above with the cert verification
image...
In the images I saw, there seemed to be something over the Trueview badge (tape?) but I could readily plug in the cert number to verify... but the whole thing is bogus...
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Thanks for the link! Just completed my dream collection for under $500. 😭
better pop some Zofran before viewing that stuff.
They couldn't even spell Lucky right.
Throw a coin enough times, and suppose one day it lands on its edge.
Sadly people that don't know any better will but those.
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So convenient - they come in fake slabs....
Ounces of gold for $125. Who says there is inflation?
I believe until we start to prosecute this people it's never going to end
Mike
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Good luck prosecuting foreign nationals living outside the US.
How many of these have been reported to the secret service? Granted, the reporting site specifically calls out paper currency. https://www.secretservice.gov/investigation/counterfeit
Customs is a better option. If enough people report sellers they will get involved. eBay doesn’t seem to care. But getting the feds involved might help. https://www.stopfakes.gov/Reporting-an-Online-Vendor-Selling-Fakes
Or you didn't spell Lucy right?
This, this will be the downfall of our grand hobby….
The counterfeiting of coins that were produced before the creation of communist China in 1949 is not illegal in China.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
And they use legitimate certification numbers on those slabs......usually from higher priced coins.
Exactly. And I really don't think cast counterfeits of Morgan dollars in Asia are high on the list of foreign policy concerns in the region. Heck, they've been doing them for 75+ years as souvenirs
I can't remember where I read it, but some guy got busted for importing a bunch of fake gold bars in fake holders like pamp and credit suisse. Maybe some fake slabs, too. The guy was obviously going to try to pass them off as legit. But it was a massive shipment. I bet one or two wouldn't attract customs enforcement.
He was arrested for importing. Did nothing to the exporter. It's the equivalent of arresting the 16 year old street corner drug dealer while the cartel leaders are living large in Mexico or Colombia.
Drone strike?
Not even funny. America has lost her soul.
There are so many counterfeits coming out of China right now that it's nauseating. My poor dad got taken by some Chinese counterfeiters a few months ago, when he bought a couple dozen "American Silver Eagles" for $19 each, and of course they were fakes, and very good fakes I might add which is what is so scary. They are not obvious fakes, and could easily pass for the read deal.
Here is the site he got them from: https://thecoiny.com/products/american-silver-eagles
Dwayne F. Sessom
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They are located in London so once again they are outside the reach of the Secret Service. If your father paid with a credit card, he should call the credit card company and reverse the charge.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Some scams are obvious.... If it looks like a great deal, beware. Others, like @dsessom just posted, are dangerous and obviously working... People are not going to be 'giving away' good coins... most of the time, bargains are not. Cheers, RickO
When you read further down in the description, they do say "American Plated Silver Eagles coin" and "plated" in another paragraph. But have to agree... very deceptive looking.
Interesting on at least the '89-CC they used the cert of a coin with PCGS images...
I've been posting that for a long time.
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Good catch. It may be easier to go after them in London.
Very interesting. I wonder if they are counting on the buyers not checking after receiving it?
yes, how elegant
disgusting ! but the old saying "if its 2 good to be true then it most likely is"
Mike
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They aren't pretending it is real
My local pawn shop no longer deals in coins after one of their Chumlees paid real money for a dozen of these.
Wow.
Odd, they've taped over the Trueview icon on the slab, but not the cert number... I just checked out the "1893-CC" Morgan that should have an image, but it doesn't... is the vendor taking advantage of the lag in getting TV's posted? The font on the reverse and mint mark placement seem a bit "off", but the cert number is for an MS63 '93-CC...
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There is no Santa Claus in numismatics......as the saying goes.
Not sure what you are referring to- the PCGS cert does have an image and I posted it above with the cert verification
image...
The barcode on the obverse slab does not read with my scanner app.
In the images I saw, there seemed to be something over the Trueview badge (tape?) but I could readily plug in the cert number to verify... but the whole thing is bogus...
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Time for vigilante justice!
OK. Yeah. Not going to happen. 
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Lol. For $100 coin, it's not worth the airfare.