You won't believe what I got back in change last night

2fun2Bbad

I'm not sure what foreign coin they minted the Jefferson nickel they gave me last night, maybe one of you do, but I would expect not too many exist. Any thoughts on what to do next would be helpful, thank you in advance!





Sorry about picture quality, not my strong suit, I have many just ask around lol

Baley

Coin has vending machine wheel damage.

ChrisH821

or coin wrapping machine damage

Baley

Right.

BAJJERFAN

I believe that the U. S. Mint did strike coins for some of its territories.

JBK

Not sure why the OP thinks this was minted on a foreign coin.

Yes, it looks weird, but it just appears to be PMD and environmental damage.

2fun2Bbad

Jbk, if you actually blow up the picture and look, you wouldn't have that question because it's quite obvious, but I want to thank you and everyone else for looking and commenting as well.
It is a 2000 D Jefferson nickel struck on a coin that isn't from here, do vending machines take nickels anymore? I'm sure that coin has been in many places, it's in mine now.
Environmental damage? I think you Are referring to it's toning, it's quite pretty for an ugly coin I think...thanks everyone! Happy hunting!

braddick

If there is a one in 100,000 chance of finding a struck on a foreign planchet nickel or a one in ten chance of finding a nickel with environmental damage- which way would you think most would go with this?

(Think horses, not zebras.)

TomB

Please send it to PCGS using their most express service and then sell it for enormous dollars and prove us all wrong. Or, you can post like so many trolls do.

EldoEsq

LOl...the old "I know what I have."

MarkKelley

You will tell me I'm wrong but trust me, your coin started out as a normal nickel and then suffered damage after it left the mint. It has no value beyond face.

AdamL

@2fun2Bbad said:

do vending machines take nickels anymore?

Yes.

Oldhoopster

You said

"Jbk, if you actually blow up the picture and look, you wouldn't have that question because it's quite obvious, but I want to thank you and everyone else for looking and commenting as well.
It is a 2000 D Jefferson nickel struck on a coin that isn't from here, do vending machines take nickels anymore? I'm sure that coin has been in many places, it's in mine now.
Environmental damage? I think you Are referring to it's toning, it's quite pretty for an ugly coin I think...thanks everyone! Happy hunting!"

XXxX xxx xxx xxx xxx

It's a circulated nickel that has significant environmental damage.

Visual identification is an inadequate method for identifying foreign planchets errors.. Did you weigh it? That should have been the obvious first step. Did you try to do any research on what foreign coins were struck by the US Mint? That info is available on line.

If you would have done a little research, you would quickly discover that the mint stopped striking coins for foreign countries in the early 1980s and the Denver mint stopped in the mid 70s.

Remember, when you see a consensus of opinions by knowledgeable members, it's based on decades of experience.

MFeld

@Oldhoopster said:
You said

"Jbk, if you actually blow up the picture and look, you wouldn't have that question because it's quite obvious, but I want to thank you and everyone else for looking and commenting as well.
It is a 2000 D Jefferson nickel struck on a coin that isn't from here, do vending machines take nickels anymore? I'm sure that coin has been in many places, it's in mine now.
Environmental damage? I think you Are referring to it's toning, it's quite pretty for an ugly coin I think...thanks everyone! Happy hunting!"

XXxX xxx xxx xxx xxx

It's a circulated nickel that has significant environmental damage.

Visual identification is an inadequate method for identifying foreign planchets errors.. Did you weigh it? That should have been the obvious first step. Did you try to do any research on what foreign coins were struck by the US Mint? That info is available on line.

If you would have done a little research, you would quickly discover that the mint stopped striking coins for foreign countries in the early 1980s and the Denver mint stopped in the mid 70s.

Remember, when you see a consensus of opinions by knowledgeable members, it's based on decades of experience.

No amount of knowledge and reason can compete with someone’s hopes or dreams of having found something rare and valuable.

MWallace

I don't know about you guys, but I need about 30 more of the same picture to be sure.

silverpop

it's called post mint damage nothing more nothing less, i get those types of coins in change sometimes

gonzer

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csdot

At first I thought cool, he found a quarter stamped onto a half dollar. Similar to the Mexican 20 Peso coin.

Then, after seeing the later photos I am not sure what you have???

LeeBone

80 cents?

TxCollector

@gonzer said:
These posts are really getting old.

Yet somehow they keep drawing everyone in. The average post like this gets way more clicks and responses than the average non-trolling post from a new member asking a question.

morgandollar1878

Heck, forget the damaged nickel, I would be surprised to get a Kennedy half in change.

1630Boston

15 COMMON COINS WORTH BIG MONEY THAT COULD BE IN YOUR POCKET CHANGE!!
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https://youtu.be/tRmQR4gtpZ0

OAKSTAR

Smudge

It didn’t leave the mint that way.

Estil

I'm impressed you actually got a half dollar back in your change!

jtlee321

jesbroken

Did you do any of the required steps before announcing a found error? What does it weigh? What is its diameter? What is it's thickness? Why are the rims of the nickel fitting perfectly on the coin? Why do you think enlarging it helps, it just shows the normal Jeff Nickel strike characteristics? Just to try and be helpful I would ask what are you seeing that makes you make the jump to overstruck on a foreign planchet? Give us a little help here. The DIAMETER: 21.20 millimeters WEIGHT: 5.00 grams. Help us to help you rather than striking out.
Jim

jessewvu

I don't believe you got that back in change last night.

justmenutty72

I’m not saying a dang word🙄don’t want the sensitive type to be offended 🤔😒

Oldhoopster

@justmenutty72 said:
I’m not saying a dang word🙄don’t want the sensitive type to be offended 🤔😒

So does this mean you think the nickel is something other than PMD?

If you posted what you think it is and more importantly, WHY you think it's something special, that goes much further than just throwing out a wild --- guess with no thoughts or data to support your opinion.

Even if your wrong, posting your reasoning is helpful for building a good reputation and can allow experienced members to provide feedback to help you learn

BTW I don't think members are "sensitive" or offended if they call out obvious incorrect guesses you've previously posted. It's important to make sure new collectors get accurate information and not to confuse them.

Fraz

It is a 1975 Spanish twenty-five centavo struck on a 2006 nickel. Jefferson resembles Franco and he died in 1975.
Maybe this belongs in World coin threads?

Oldhoopster

@Fraz said:
It is a 1975 Spanish twenty-five centavo struck on a 2006 nickel. Jefferson resembles Franco and he died in 1975.
Maybe this belongs in World coin threads?

?????

I'm not sure if you're serious or just having fun. If it's for fun, you should probably add a couple emojis. The OP is new and might not realize you're screwing around

If your serious, you need to add data or evidence. A "I think it looks like...." Just doesn't cut in when you're proposing something as extremely unlikely as this.

If you are being serious, a little research would show that a Spanish 25 PESETA with Francos portrait is 26.5 mm according to Numista. That will not fit into the striking chamber of a 21.2 mm nickel.

Type2

Fraz

@Oldhoopster, I apologize that my goofing took up your time. Thank you for the tips.

Oldhoopster

@Fraz said:
@Oldhoopster, I apologize that my goofing took up your time. Thank you for the tips.

No problem with the occasional funny response, IMO. Just make it clear. While it may be clear to most of us, it may confuse the new collector. Just my thoughts

JoeLewis

@2fun2Bbad said:
So I'm glad it wasn't an aluminum penny, that guy must have received as much help as I have. Good thing the coin world has so many experts to "help" people understand the hobby better, I mean since you have offered nothing more than insults and childish remarks, you're the exact kind of help people are looking for when they come here. Are you all paid to insult harass and gang up on people who don't know more than you at a subject they came here seeking help for? If you aren't paid, then past enjoying trying to hurt people's feelings and make them give up, why would you respond? You have the choice to let the real adults teach.
I'm sure if any of of you have children or grandchildren, you would be proud to see them act and treat a person as you have.
I'm an expert on customer service where the actual definition of reflects the dictionary, perhaps you generous loving group of people should revisit, and become better people, because my road to being a good coin collector is far shorter than it would seem you have to becoming a decent human being, or did I wake up in 4th grade? I'm not one who thinks this is a place for your level of people skills, in fact you all should ask yourselves again why you are here, from this perspective it doesn't seem you are here to help. I recognize several of you and what you posted on other new people seeking help you lie and say you are here to do, but hatefulness is what you offer. I feel sorry for you all, so much pain you want to release on a stranger. Hopefully those with children will do better than your parents failure.
I will be sure not to ask for advice or help from you again, maybe if any of you answer the question of why your here honestly, you will not offer anyone your "help", leave it to the grown up who know how to treat people or just say nothing at all. If any of you are paid, you should be fired. But I'm sure with the moral fortitude you appear to have, you'll choose to go beat up a gay or black kid, you all want to help, right?
I'm truly disappointed in you and PCGS for allowing people like you to represent their company to everyone, like me who only asked for your help or advice.
But I will never let people like you represented here to give up the hobby I find fun and challenging, others aren't as experienced with your kind of help and will feel they can't do it, all because of your help, heroes? That's what you all want and the reason you chose to be helpers, right? You give the same old tired excuses for why their coin isn't what they thought. Like "circulation damage" puts additional person and foreign language on a coin, corrosion damaged or just plain insults paired with childish behavior, you folks are the best! How many others did you help today?
If you are here to help teach and encourage people, then you will need more than your coin knowledge, but if you can't treat people with respect, kindness, and encourage people please consider doing something else while people who really want to help can.
I guess this is where manners and all require me to thank you all for your "help" regardless of how much you offer, yea thank you kind and loving people of the "smartest coin people in the world"!
Saddened

You asked for opinions, and got five. Then you disagreed with those opinions. What do you think this forum owes you after that? I don’t like people making fun of posters either, but I really don’t understand why new members feel entitled to be educated by the rest of the members while disagreeing with them at the same time.

In fact, why do someone people feel that this forum is their own personal classroom, and expect people to do research for them?

lermish

@2fun2Bbad said:
So I'm glad it wasn't an aluminum penny, that guy must have received as much help as I have. Good thing the coin world has so many experts to "help" people understand the hobby better, I mean since you have offered nothing more than insults and childish remarks, you're the exact kind of help people are looking for when they come here. Are you all paid to insult harass and gang up on people who don't know more than you at a subject they came here seeking help for? If you aren't paid, then past enjoying trying to hurt people's feelings and make them give up, why would you respond? You have the choice to let the real adults teach.

I tend to not comment on these types of thread because I do not possess expertise and my amusement at the theories put forward doesn't really add much to the conversation. However since you have issues with people skills...

How about when you have a coin that you think may be interesting and you are requesting help with, you say, "I don't know what X is, can anyone help?" or "Is this coin X?" You'll typically receive very accurate responses of what your coin is or is not without snark.

You posited, with certainty, that your nickel was minted on a foreign coin.

@2fun2Bbad said:
I'm not sure what foreign coin they minted the Jefferson nickel they gave me last night, maybe one of you do, but I would expect not too many exist.

That is a statement, a very VERY wrong statement, about what your coin is. If you lead with humility and ask for help, you'll get it. I do it all the time and people are mostly enormously helpful. If you lead with a ludicrously wrong statement to a board full of experts (real and so-called) you'll get the response you got.

streeter

Hope springs eternal.

Just not here.
The Bass collection, 100 posts
Parking lot PMD, 1,000 posts

Why lord?

MFeld

@2fun2Bbad said:
So I'm glad it wasn't an aluminum penny, that guy must have received as much help as I have. Good thing the coin world has so many experts to "help" people understand the hobby better, I mean since you have offered nothing more than insults and childish remarks, you're the exact kind of help people are looking for when they come here. Are you all paid to insult harass and gang up on people who don't know more than you at a subject they came here seeking help for? If you aren't paid, then past enjoying trying to hurt people's feelings and make them give up, why would you respond? You have the choice to let the real adults teach.
I'm sure if any of of you have children or grandchildren, you would be proud to see them act and treat a person as you have.
I'm an expert on customer service where the actual definition of reflects the dictionary, perhaps you generous loving group of people should revisit, and become better people, because my road to being a good coin collector is far shorter than it would seem you have to becoming a decent human being, or did I wake up in 4th grade? I'm not one who thinks this is a place for your level of people skills, in fact you all should ask yourselves again why you are here, from this perspective it doesn't seem you are here to help. I recognize several of you and what you posted on other new people seeking help you lie and say you are here to do, but hatefulness is what you offer. I feel sorry for you all, so much pain you want to release on a stranger. Hopefully those with children will do better than your parents failure.
I will be sure not to ask for advice or help from you again, maybe if any of you answer the question of why your here honestly, you will not offer anyone your "help", leave it to the grown up who know how to treat people or just say nothing at all. If any of you are paid, you should be fired. But I'm sure with the moral fortitude you appear to have, you'll choose to go beat up a gay or black kid, you all want to help, right?
I'm truly disappointed in you and PCGS for allowing people like you to represent their company to everyone, like me who only asked for your help or advice.
But I will never let people like you represented here to give up the hobby I find fun and challenging, others aren't as experienced with your kind of help and will feel they can't do it, all because of your help, heroes? That's what you all want and the reason you chose to be helpers, right? You give the same old tired excuses for why their coin isn't what they thought. Like "circulation damage" puts additional person and foreign language on a coin, corrosion damaged or just plain insults paired with childish behavior, you folks are the best! How many others did you help today?
If you are here to help teach and encourage people, then you will need more than your coin knowledge, but if you can't treat people with respect, kindness, and encourage people please consider doing something else while people who really want to help can.
I guess this is where manners and all require me to thank you all for your "help" regardless of how much you offer, yea thank you kind and loving people of the "smartest coin people in the world"!
Saddened

While I'm sorry you feel the way you do about your experience here, I think you have mischaracterized the overall response you've received. Yes, there were some wise-ass comments mixed in. However, as a relatively large sample, below are the first six replies you received, followed by a response from you and the first direct reply to it. Reading it gives a very different impression from the one you apparently have.

The first six replies you received:
"Coin has vending machine wheel damage."
"or coin wrapping machine damage"
"Right."
"I believe that the U. S. Mint did strike coins for some of its territories."
"Not sure why the OP thinks this was minted on a foreign coin. "
"Yes, it looks weird, but it just appears to be PMD and environmental damage."

Your first reply:
"Jbk, if you actually blow up the picture and look, you wouldn't have that question because it's quite obvious, but I want to thank you and everyone else for looking and commenting as well.
It is a 2000 D Jefferson nickel struck on a coin that isn't from here, do vending machines take nickels anymore? I'm sure that coin has been in many places, it's in mine now.
Environmental damage? I think you Are referring to it's toning, it's quite pretty for an ugly coin I think...thanks everyone! Happy hunting!"

The first direct reply to yours:

"You said

"Jbk, if you actually blow up the picture and look, you wouldn't have that question because it's quite obvious, but I want to thank you and everyone else for looking and commenting as well.
It is a 2000 D Jefferson nickel struck on a coin that isn't from here, do vending machines take nickels anymore? I'm sure that coin has been in many places, it's in mine now.
Environmental damage? I think you Are referring to it's toning, it's quite pretty for an ugly coin I think...thanks everyone! Happy hunting!"

XXxX xxx xxx xxx xxx

It's a circulated nickel that has significant environmental damage.

Visual identification is an inadequate method for identifying foreign planchets errors.. Did you weigh it? That should have been the obvious first step. Did you try to do any research on what foreign coins were struck by the US Mint? That info is available on line.

If you would have done a little research, you would quickly discover that the mint stopped striking coins for foreign countries in the early 1980s and the Denver mint stopped in the mid 70s.

Remember, when you see a consensus of opinions by knowledgeable members, it's based on decades of experience."

ZoidMeister

@csdot said:
At first I thought cool, he found a quarter stamped onto a half dollar. Similar to the Mexican 20 Peso coin.

Then, after seeing the later photos I am not sure what you have???

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I gots me a 1938 nickel that was stamped on a 1993 silver dollar . . . . . .

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ifthevamzarockin

@2fun2Bbad said:
So I'm glad it wasn't an aluminum penny, that guy must have received as much help as I have. Good thing the coin world has so many experts to "help" people understand the hobby better, I mean since you have offered nothing more than insults and childish remarks, you're the exact kind of help people are looking for when they come here. Are you all paid to insult harass and gang up on people who don't know more than you at a subject they came here seeking help for? If you aren't paid, then past enjoying trying to hurt people's feelings and make them give up, why would you respond? You have the choice to let the real adults teach.
I'm sure if any of of you have children or grandchildren, you would be proud to see them act and treat a person as you have.
I'm an expert on customer service where the actual definition of reflects the dictionary, perhaps you generous loving group of people should revisit, and become better people, because my road to being a good coin collector is far shorter than it would seem you have to becoming a decent human being, or did I wake up in 4th grade? I'm not one who thinks this is a place for your level of people skills, in fact you all should ask yourselves again why you are here, from this perspective it doesn't seem you are here to help. I recognize several of you and what you posted on other new people seeking help you lie and say you are here to do, but hatefulness is what you offer. I feel sorry for you all, so much pain you want to release on a stranger. Hopefully those with children will do better than your parents failure.
I will be sure not to ask for advice or help from you again, maybe if any of you answer the question of why your here honestly, you will not offer anyone your "help", leave it to the grown up who know how to treat people or just say nothing at all. If any of you are paid, you should be fired. But I'm sure with the moral fortitude you appear to have, you'll choose to go beat up a gay or black kid, you all want to help, right?
I'm truly disappointed in you and PCGS for allowing people like you to represent their company to everyone, like me who only asked for your help or advice.
But I will never let people like you represented here to give up the hobby I find fun and challenging, others aren't as experienced with your kind of help and will feel they can't do it, all because of your help, heroes? That's what you all want and the reason you chose to be helpers, right? You give the same old tired excuses for why their coin isn't what they thought. Like "circulation damage" puts additional person and foreign language on a coin, corrosion damaged or just plain insults paired with childish behavior, you folks are the best! How many others did you help today?
If you are here to help teach and encourage people, then you will need more than your coin knowledge, but if you can't treat people with respect, kindness, and encourage people please consider doing something else while people who really want to help can.
I guess this is where manners and all require me to thank you all for your "help" regardless of how much you offer, yea thank you kind and loving people of the "smartest coin people in the world"!
Saddened

justmenutty72

@Oldhoopster said:

@justmenutty72 said:
I’m not saying a dang word🙄don’t want the sensitive type to be offended 🤔😒

So does this mean you think the nickel is something other than PMD?

If you posted what you think it is and more importantly, WHY you think it's something special, that goes much further than just throwing out a wild --- guess with no thoughts or data to support your opinion.

Even if your wrong, posting your reasoning is helpful for building a good reputation and can allow experienced members to provide feedback to help you learn

BTW I don't think members are "sensitive" or offended if they call out obvious incorrect guesses you've previously posted. It's important to make sure new collectors get accurate information and not to confuse them.

I think it’s absolutely ridiculous. Period. And the sensitive ones know who they are. I need say nothing more.🤨

JBK

@2fun2Bbad said:
So I'm glad it wasn't an aluminum penny, that guy must have received as much help as I have.

You're not looking for help. You're looking only to have your (incorrect) assumptions validated.

I mean since you have offered nothing more than insults and childish remarks...

You were given lots of solid advice and feedback (here and on your other threads) but you become totally dismissive and insulting when you don't like what you hear.

You have the choice to let the real adults teach.

Are you saying that anyone who doesn't tell you what you want to hear is not a "real adult"?

I'm an expert on customer service...

I would beg to differ, based on your demeanor.

But I'm sure with the moral fortitude you appear to have, you'll choose to go beat up a gay or black kid, you all want to help, right?

Absolutely slanderous/libelous, inappropriate, and ban-worthy.

I'm truly disappointed in you and PCGS for allowing people like you to represent their company to everyone, like me who only asked for your help or advice.

Don't ask for help/advice if you don't want to hear what people have to say!

MasonG

OP asked for opinions and is unhappy because he didn't like the ones offered? Is that about right?

ctf_error_coins

This is how my days go everyday since Fred retired.

Namvet69

With all this sage advice, someone's melon should be about ready to explode. Just sayin. Peace Roy

IkesT

@2fun2Bbad said:
So I'm glad it wasn't an aluminum penny, that guy must have received as much help as I have. Good thing the coin world has so many experts to "help" people understand the hobby better, I mean since you have offered nothing more than insults and childish remarks, you're the exact kind of help people are looking for when they come here. Are you all paid to insult harass and gang up on people who don't know more than you at a subject they came here seeking help for? If you aren't paid, then past enjoying trying to hurt people's feelings and make them give up, why would you respond? You have the choice to let the real adults teach.
I'm sure if any of of you have children or grandchildren, you would be proud to see them act and treat a person as you have.
I'm an expert on customer service where the actual definition of reflects the dictionary, perhaps you generous loving group of people should revisit, and become better people, because my road to being a good coin collector is far shorter than it would seem you have to becoming a decent human being, or did I wake up in 4th grade? I'm not one who thinks this is a place for your level of people skills, in fact you all should ask yourselves again why you are here, from this perspective it doesn't seem you are here to help. I recognize several of you and what you posted on other new people seeking help you lie and say you are here to do, but hatefulness is what you offer. I feel sorry for you all, so much pain you want to release on a stranger. Hopefully those with children will do better than your parents failure.
I will be sure not to ask for advice or help from you again, maybe if any of you answer the question of why your here honestly, you will not offer anyone your "help", leave it to the grown up who know how to treat people or just say nothing at all. If any of you are paid, you should be fired. But I'm sure with the moral fortitude you appear to have, you'll choose to go beat up a gay or black kid, you all want to help, right?
I'm truly disappointed in you and PCGS for allowing people like you to represent their company to everyone, like me who only asked for your help or advice.
But I will never let people like you represented here to give up the hobby I find fun and challenging, others aren't as experienced with your kind of help and will feel they can't do it, all because of your help, heroes? That's what you all want and the reason you chose to be helpers, right? You give the same old tired excuses for why their coin isn't what they thought. Like "circulation damage" puts additional person and foreign language on a coin, corrosion damaged or just plain insults paired with childish behavior, you folks are the best! How many others did you help today?
If you are here to help teach and encourage people, then you will need more than your coin knowledge, but if you can't treat people with respect, kindness, and encourage people please consider doing something else while people who really want to help can.
I guess this is where manners and all require me to thank you all for your "help" regardless of how much you offer, yea thank you kind and loving people of the "smartest coin people in the world"!
Saddened

Serious or not, this has as much value to the Forum as a troll post.

ctf_error_coins

My favorite reaction (so far) was when I told someone the truth about their coin, they went haywire telling me I was in a coin cabal, stealing said (fake) errors from random people and selling them for tons of money.

He then threaten to unleash the Prince Hall Freemasonry society on me? WTF? I had to google that organization

2fun2Bbad

Interesting children, defending your or others bad behavior, somehow this doesn't surprise me. But I will give credit where it is due even if done in the absolute incorrect way if trying to help: did you weigh the coin (answer is yes, but it wasn't really a question was it nor any of the other helpful hints) did you measure it? Did you do research on the coin? This was information I needed, but wasn't given in a helping way, but a "hey stupid! Why didn't you already know".
I didn't ask for any confirmation on anything, I stated the fact it was struck on a foreign coin that I was unfamiliar with and the language it's wrote in I'm not familiar with either so researching a coin from almost anywhere in the world you don't even know it's currency value is another place I could use help from someone who is here to help and in my experience and vast study of people, that wasn't what they were trying to do, but inadvertantly helped anyway.
Defenders of bad behavior, you are just as big a part of the problem and those who defend their own is much like the rapist who blames it on the clothes their victim wore, you folks really need to take a close look at what you're doing and why. If you feel you are here to help, really? I wonder how many less experts we'd have here if the people who influenced you treated you the same way in early stage.
I'm just pointing out things you need to be aware of if your trying to help others, and suggestions for you to not kill people's hopes and dreams so you can feel superior and laugh with your so called friends. Sounds like many of you can't handle valid criticism, little sensitive huh?
When you are truly helping, the words you use are important, if you are the experts, you're not stupid and already know this, but hey what's a little fun, right? Those stupid newbies just need to find another hobby, our club house is already full. If it isn't what you mean, in so many ways it's what is heard.
To the horrible human being who has no real coin knowledge and just comes here to hurt people, I don't have to wish for what is Karma's job, I already know what is coming your way, just like you I don't know when, but know it's heading your way. Everything we deserve is given in full measurement, drink up everyone, cheers!

Oldhoopster

Looks like someone for the ignore list

Best of luck moving forward

Why didn't you just listen to the responses of knowledgeable members instead of doubling down on the foreign planchet nonsense.

ctf_error_coins

Respectfully, we get at least one of these posts about a mint error that is actually a damaged coin every single day.

Most people who ask the question say "thank you" and move on.

Some fight the expert opinions that they get here .

Which one are you?