Lincoln Cent - GTG! - Grade Revealed!
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I love Lincoln Cents, but have a hard time grading them. I futured I would post a GTG featuring one of my favorites. Please provide your opinion of this cent, and guess the grade. Don't hold back, this coin didn't cost me much. I won't be offended. The True View looks exactly like the coin in hand, they did a great job!
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The TrueView was loading slowly onto my monitor and my immediate thought was that this had to be a 1957-D or 1958-D based upon the toning. I don't know the grade, but I think it quite pretty.
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I'll guess 65 with a plus if in a newer holder.
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Thanks @TomB! I reduced the file size on that pic, it was a bit large.
MS65BN.
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I see quite a few obverse marks, but am still going to guess MS66RB, due to the strong luster and highly attractive color.
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i've been quite shocked over the years for color brown lincolns but as has been stated that luster looks like it is dripping, so i'll go 66bn. 65 would be safe, 63 had mocked me several times but i'll hold my ground at 66 still !
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65
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I would call it MS65BN, my guess is that PCGS called it MS66RB
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I have been noticing this also, what is it about 57-D and 58-D that gives them this toning?
In my experience the original US mint sets issued from 1947-1958 (exclusive of 1950 when no official sets were issued) have characteristic "looks" or appearances. By no means are all coins from any given year clones of one another, but the combination of cardboard backing, glue and paper facing appears to have imparted on many coins what might be considered a family of toning patterns or hues. This can vary in intensity and color from year-to-year. However, given the mad dash to certify so many of these coins in the last two decades, it is tougher and tougher to find original sets that have stayed together for 60+ years and it is more common to find put-together sets of mint set rejects paired with album toned, original roll or BU singles.
Please note that I realize that the TPGs have been around for 35+ years, but (again) in my experience these US mint set coins were rarely sent in for certification prior to the very late 1990s or early 2000s. In a way it is a shame as newer coin collectors and numismatists will not have nearly the opportunity to share the first-hand eyeball experience of what these sets looked like in the wild.
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Nice looking Lincoln. I'll guess 65+BN.
True view seems to be without that jump out view.
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Looks like a MS65 to me.... of course, it could get a color bump to 66.... Machine doubling on the reverse.... Cheers, RickO
Probably MS66RB........But it should be RD as it has no brown on the coin. Just two different shades of red.
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While the coin doesn’t exhibit BN color, it’s far from its original, as-struck red, orange or whatever you want to call it, hue. So unless it’s very close to or completely BN, the long established, only other option would be RB.
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I was on the fence for 65 or 66, so I'm going to say MS65+RB...
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pink.
copper coins freshly struck are pink as a baby pig's bottom.
it is why when copper coins are dipped, they look pink. it isn't original pink but it about as close to their original striking color as you can get, artificially.
So you’re advocating a new, more accurate color designation - “Baby Pig’s Bottom Pink” ?
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64 RB
A lovely piece, my guess is 64 RB.
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65RB
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HEY, i think we're onto something here.
i was just checking out early large cents in the price guide and saw no RDs for the ones i was looking at, so opportunity is knocking!
65RB
MS-67 RB
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65BN
65RB
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Great guesses! @MFeld @LanceNewmanOCC @coinbuf and @OldIndianNutKase nailed it, with honorable mentions to @ricko and @lkenefic
It seemed to me this Lincoln has more marks than what you would expect on a 66. As mentioned by many above, i'm thinking the graders gave it a bump for luster and toning.
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Luster and toning (eye appeal) are important parts of a mint state coin's grade, so it may not be surprising that if the coin is superior in those aspects that it might receive a high grade.
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Nice.
I love all the discussion and guesses around the color designation. Everything from red to brown. I think it deserves a new designation, Red/Gold!
Dang, it.
I was thinking 66, yet I went 64 because you stated you didn't pay much for it.
that initially influenced my guess.
i woulda guessed perhaps 66+ but i recall MANY a discussion around here regarding gem graded BN copper and just how tough it is to get. i think that ceiling has been raised past few years or so, like a lot of areas.
But the coin in this thread is RB, not BN and to my eyes, at least, not remotely close to BN. So why didn’t you guess 66+?
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the pink/red on the coin, imo, is not the baby pig bottom pink/red original to the coin. it is toning.
and i'll say this just for those reading that don't know, if a coin doesn't exhibit the original RD (any shade) or RB (any shade), then the default is BN, even when BN is not visibly present. (OP coin case in point) the presumption is, since we cannot see under the toning, that the RD/RB properties have been lost. this doesn't guarantee that there aren't toned designatied RB coins out there as i think i do recall some and PERHAPS even a few designated toned RD coins with some toning but retained the RD designation but toning on those coins is fairly minimal and when viewing, one can see they are RD and not RB or BN.
i really don't know where the line is drawn at the tpgs when an obvious red coin has enough toning to knock it down to RB and from RB to BN. kinda just gotta put a lot of examples together and extrapolate. perhaps pcgs toning page has percentages or examples?
my 2c.
See the below link for PCGS’ written parameters for BN, RB and RD color designations. Of course, often, the actual color variations on coins make the classifications easier to write than to determine.
https://www.pcgs.com/news/rd-rb-bn-grading-designations-on-copper-coins
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