GTG: 1879-S Morgan Dollar
jtlee321
Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭✭✭
Alright everybody, it's time for another GTG. Again, it's a Morgan Dollar, common date, but uncommon eye appeal. Let's see what you all think she graded.
2
Comments
It's tough to tell some of the markings from toning. I'd guess with high au or lower ms...
https://www.the4thcoin.com
https://www.ebay.com/str/thefourthcoin
64+
Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc
67+
I would guess 66+ she is a beauty for sure!
66+
A solid MS65
I will guess MS65 due to the obverse field scratches.... The black to brown tarnish is ugly. Cheers, RickO
66
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
66
66> @spyglassdesign said:
Please don’t spend money you care about on ungraded coins.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
MS66.
Coin Photographer.
66
DPOTD-3
'Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery'
CU #3245 B.N.A. #428
Don
looks 66 or a little better but i'll guess details.
66, maybe 66+ or 66 CAC.
65+
Successful BST with ad4400, Kccoin, lablover, pointfivezero, koynekwest, jwitten, coin22lover, HalfDimeDude, erwindoc, jyzskowsi, COINS MAKE CENTS, AlanSki, BryceM
My first impression was 67
Mr_Spud
65+
Nice coin!
"Bongo hurtles along the rain soaked highway of life on underinflated bald retread tires."
~Wayne
Thanks. I needed a snide comment this morning.
https://www.the4thcoin.com
https://www.ebay.com/str/thefourthcoin
I wasn’t being snide. Your various posts, containing questions and comments about coins, indicate that you’re non-expert in grading and the intricacies of the rare coin market. All of us have been there at different times and many of us still are. Non-experts buying ungraded coins for hundreds of dollars is usually a losing proposition - often, significantly so.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
It certainly would not get one of these...
MS 65 and a nice one (could be a better grade too)
So what does that have to do with my guess here? I didn't ask your opinion on my grading skills. I was having fun jumping in on a tough coin for me due to its toning and you come in here and act like an ass about my abilities. I knew I was probably going to be off as I jumped in first before anyone else, but I took a stab at it anyways. I often will wait to see what others say them study the coin to see why they made those guesses, but this time I took a chance.
After seeing others guesses and looking closer guess what what? I'M Learning! Or would you rather I just keep my mouth shut and not take risks or learn?
Try not to be such a spoil sport next time?
https://www.the4thcoin.com
https://www.ebay.com/str/thefourthcoin
I almost went with ms65 but the toning messed with my brain. Still learning the difference between toning markings and actual markings 👍
https://www.the4thcoin.com
https://www.ebay.com/str/thefourthcoin
MS66, like the experts said
MS65+ or 66
I also think 66. The toning on the lower part of the reverse looks like boiled red cabbage. I like it, though.
Young Numismatist
I am not a fan of that toning but that coin is a beauty in my eyes, 66+
Having said that, toning of that nature always throws me off so If I was buying it raw I would not go over 65 money
Al
66
66+
But if it was my coin, they BB it for all the hairlines on the obverse.
You're not the first to notice the "hairlines" on the obverse. However, if it was your coin, they would not body bag it, as they are raised. They are die polish lines. Some people don't like them and find them distracting. But, I like them and actually collect some examples with very heavy die polish. Once you learn to distinguish die polish from hairlines, you'll be able to tell very quickly.
It's funny, the color in the image is darker than it appears in hand. In hand it glows very well, but the lighting was not able to reflect directly into the camera so it appears darker in the static image. But it does have that cabbage color to it.
I will just start with the why did I bother to open the thread? And I will concede that I was pleasantly surprised... not just with the coin because... after all it is an 1879-s and these were among the real quality dates for the entire series. It truly is a very nice image that captures all the needs to be captured.
Having written what I just did, there still is this issue I have in assigning a high grade to a coin based on an image instead of seeing the coin in hand. I am seeing the slightest evidence (on the obverse) of roller marks and perhaps I am wrong and just misreading die polish lines... but there really is more here than die polish.
In any event, I like the coin, the image and while there is a surviving population in a high grade... this one warrants a high grade. But how high? I am thinking 66 to 66+ depending on when it was graded. Now... if this were my coin and I submitted this and the grade was 64 or possibly lower... I would not be happy
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
I would give it a 65+
I would have to agree with the 66+ crowd. Great Morgan!
Grading toned by images, smh
Anyway…MS-65, lol
Very nice feedback. I appreciate that. I agree it can be very difficult to assign a high grade to a static image. It would be nice if there was a way to allow a short video without having to upload the video somewhere else and then embed a link to it here. I have a feeling that hopefully it won't be too long before that is allowed here. The future is definitely video, even eBay has started to add that feature to their listings.
Photographing coins is really tough to do well... I've learned that from experience!
https://www.the4thcoin.com
https://www.ebay.com/str/thefourthcoin
Nice!
In the 66+ crowd here.
I'm going MS 65 +. Because these are common and come beautiful the standard is set high. The activity on the neck gets the grading ding.
Looks like we have had pretty good participation in this one. I know it hasn't quite been 24 hours, but I will go ahead and do the reveal. Most of you graded it what I would grade it at a 66 to 66+, but it is in an old NGC 3.0 slab as a MS-65. She is definitely going to take a trip to New Jersey to see Uncle John.
Of course it is
If you look at the images in photo grade and trust me there are many you will see they’re a lot of 67 pluses that match your coin. She is due for an upgrade.
I think it would get a plus grade if in a new holder. I would keep it in the old holder thou
Successful BST with ad4400, Kccoin, lablover, pointfivezero, koynekwest, jwitten, coin22lover, HalfDimeDude, erwindoc, jyzskowsi, COINS MAKE CENTS, AlanSki, BryceM
Late to this thread, but I was going to guess at least 66, that coin looks nice, albeit a common date, but excellent eye appeal IMO.
Will’sProoflikes
that is the crux with chasing the gold. a gold simply means upgrade but that doesn't specify any more than just 1 grade.
Late to the party but I was going to say it looks a lot like my 66 CAC. So... I just did.
It's a beauty, I like it a lot.
it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide
While that’s true, almost every gold-stickered coin I’ve seen has sold for a price exceeding that of just 1 grade higher.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Hey Lance, a few years ago before CAC became inundated with submissions, if you asked for feedback on coins that didn't pass, you got a note to call John to discuss your coins with you. I had the opportunity to talk to John and one of the questions I asked him was what it took to make gold. He told me that a coin has to essentially be under graded by at least 1.9 grade points. So a coin that is graded MS-64 would have to look like a MS-65.9 or better to receive the gold CAC sticker. Which is why there are coins that grade MS-64, receive a green CAC sticker and are then upgraded to a 65 and can still get a green sticker. In there eye's that original 64 looked more like a 65 B coin and not a 65A+ or above. Their opinion obviously does not carry a guarantee that the TPG's won't grade accordingly. But if it did upgrade to a 66, there's still a very good chance of the coin making green again.
This is all semantics because I have no plans on cracking this coin out. I'd much rather have this coin in the old holder with a gold CAC sticker or even a green than in a newer holder. I do appreciate everyones feedback. So thank you all for your participation.
@jtlee321 same here. I've come to the same conclusion regarding keeping the ogh and possibly getting a sticker in the future when they reopen. This one particular piece is for my edification and comparison purposes though, not for sale.
https://www.the4thcoin.com
https://www.ebay.com/str/thefourthcoin
My guess was 65, indeed a solid coin with a shot at 66 today. I love the holder. I’d eat that coin up if offered.
My YouTube Channel