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Fraz
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I await this lot of coins. I bought it based on this photograph. I read about half of them. I studied them madly for days alone. I learned facts about these types of metal, but my suspicions lead me to pessimism. I do wager regularly and pay to see hands when I want to know.
The only thing left is for us have fun with them (and you guys to have fun with me).
Foolishness and shame is forefront, so debunk to your hearts content.
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How about some close-ups of the individual coins?
You certainly took a flier on purchasing based on this picture!
I admire your gambling attitude, but your suspicions and pessimism might be realized.
Well, I can honestly say I've not paid to see a body part in quite some time
Seriously though... its difficult to tell from the image but two of these pieces MIGHT be gold (top row #2, and 2nd row #1). Also, I'd really be interested in seeing close ups of the coins: row 2 #6 and #8... Civil War token? Washington token?
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OK But what did you pay? I would pay a few dollars to get them......but hundred of dollars, NO. It al depends on the price you paid
they do look really cool though.
Bob
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I will post when they arrive if we haven’t tired of them by then. It is a ridiculous assortment of rejects left from an estate collection. That is all that I opine. Some look as if they might be similar to these:
Absurd.
Then, I paid what you would not have paid, milbroco.
Kentucky “unanimity.. “ coin, Vermont Publicus coin, Washington and independence token, several illegible, a couple look like some Roman stuff that I own; and no way is that a bronze war penny.
Coin number two appears to be a California Fractional gold piece, perhaps a half dollar.
I do have suspicions about row number two, sixth from left being counterfeit. It's a gut hunch from these pictures.
Coin Photographer.
The image is terrible and I am not certain if you are trolling or not (just years experience on these boards) but it appears you "purchased" a bunch of modern counterfeits.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Can't wait to see the individual coin photos!
K
Many looks like the modern replicas sold at the souvenir stands at historical sites and museums or from those ads in the back of many magazines.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Looks like
Row #1:
Buffalo nickel, California fractional gold piece (probably a modern replica,) Indian head cent, unknown, unknown, buffalo nickel, unknown, unknown unknown, Lincoln Cent.
Row 2
Another probably-replica California gold piece, heavily polished liberty head nickel, another buffalo nickel, an unc-looking Lincoln Cent, unknown, replica confederate cent, extremely worn barber dime, a probably counterfeit Washington token, Indian head cent, Kentucky token (I am not experienced in colonials, but it doesn't have the "counterfiet-y" look to it, but I'm probably wrong, who knows, maybe you did good on that one, I don't know how valuable they are,)
Row 3
I don't know what the first thing is, but it looks like it says 178_. Somebody here probably knows what it is, though. Second item, the note says it's from Ireland, but it's too corroded to tell what it is from the photos.
Good luck, I guess, and make sure to post pictures when you receive your item.
Young Numismatist
@TomB
Curious, are bechtlers commonly faked?
It's all about what the people want...
I just googled Bechtler gold coin replicas and this was first hit, same coin with reversed N
Mr_Spud
The better question might be to ask if someone could make money from producing a counterfeit Bechtler.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
" It is a ridiculous assortment of rejects left from an estate collection "
That statement alone makes me think the sellers had some idea of coins and their value; other portions of the 'collection' having been sold and these are the 'rejects'.
But an interesting item, and who knows? Let us know how you turn out.
There were contemporary counterfeit Bechtler coins (I have about forty hours experience with these coins except for the Lincoln stuff). I believe that I read that there were later restrikes. The Bechtler looks like it was made in a sand mold. The other gold has the same appearance. Dates would be nice. It’s probably a souvenir of the Charlotte Mint Museum, or someplace. All of these examples have been faked, facsimiled, restriken. These are mutants; I’m paying to go into the tent, you guys get a tale.
I live near the first gold mines in Chatham/Alamance County in the North Carolina piedmont. We pan gold from a stream near my friends’ farm He found a geologic report that they found gold testing there in 1985. I guess we’re trespassing and stealing buckets of sand. We have seven flakes in the bottom a test tube full of water. Anyhow, panning is harder than pimping. On the hill across the street there are pits with mounds of sugarwhite quartz around them. But that is get-shot-trespassing terrain. It was the Bechtler that got me because of the history here.
Standing by for > @Fraz said:
"From an estate" is a ruse that dates at least to when eBay first turned on their server, but as you can see, it's an effective one.
Fakes tend to look similar to real coins. I'm hoping we're wrong, but betting we're right.
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I'm guessing the common US coins are real and the historic coins are copies, but there are a few irregular hammered-style coins that could be interesting.
I think it is incredible, and I wish you the best of luck. I seriously do! Please keep us posted even if it is not so great. Many times on these forums, we never hear back from the OP as he may be a bit embarrassed if his "find" turns out to be junk, counterfeit, or whatnot.
These look like fun and a neat gamble.
peacockcoins
I wrote that I opine “estate collection rejects”; I did not buy it because of text that said “from an estate”. I stripped myself of any shred of hope of profit and of any expectation of brilliance before I thought of going public. They’re not genuine, it’s cool with me. Take a sec to check them out when they appear, and chuckle quietly.
The bar is low around here, look at the threads I started.
It could be worse... you could have found them in a parking lot...
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That CSA cent looks like one of those plastic charms that came in gumball machines. I know nothing about medals and their reproductions.
Assuming eBay here, you can SNAD if they're counterfeit. Against TOS to sell fake coins.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
You give me too much credit, my first post was more sewer oriented. I start from the bottom-
I would be pissy if I did that, knowing for certain that the lot contains fakes before I buy them. The sellers were scrupulous; They jacked what they could out of what they found,
Well, I'm not certain that lot contains fakes, far from it. I want to know how you are in fact!
Coin Photographer.
FlyingAl, wouldn’t I have egg on my face if your suspicions were more accurate than mine?
I’m not certain. I mentioned sand molds and plastic charms, but that is not very numismatically apt, I suppose. I want to blame bad photography and defective airtites for their appearance.
All of us have stuff that is without value, but that thing has too much interest to toss. You have a place for those things. From here in the street some of your “interesting but worthless” look pretty nice.
Are you sure this is not an eye exam for those of us over 55?
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It is indeed. And, there is no telling what is to see on the other side of those bad boys.
Anyhow, thank you all for hanging out, I have no coin pals for the banter.
I bought a poorly pictured Whitman 9004 that had the top row filled off eBay. It lacked the next five keys. When I popped out the 1909 pennies none were from SF and one VDB. Inexpensive, and it was too good to be real. I went through the first two pages without excitement. I put it away for a few weeks and returned to see the last. The 1931D pock had a 1931S in it by error. Not first prize, but I think that it was my first coin orgasm.
Wow, I missed this post, Mr.Spud. Thanks, I must add “replica” to my search criteria. I used counterfeit, fake, facsimile, etc. during my searches and missed that site, as well. One of my thoughts was that it was a deliberate collection of facsimiles, er, replicas.
Gambling and coin collecting is not a good mix (especially when your drinking...)
My coin collector/sports handicapper cousin says at least you have something in your hand when you gamble on a coin purchase..
You’re not a gambler nor drinker, are you?
It’s okay to have a drink after you place a bet. Alcohol and cards may be what you mean?
I can’t drink, but thanks for the levity. It was the flower.
You have no clue...
No, I’m kind of new here, Teach me.with humility and I will listen humbly.
I bought something similar to that when I first started getting into coins. It was a type set framed display that you would hang on a wall. All the coins were genuine, but most of them ended up damaged in some way. I sorted through them all, kept a couple of them, and sold the rest off individually. I ended up pretty much breaking even, but I learned a ton and had a lot of fun in the process!
Fraz is right, they could be honey wagon rejects his wife picked up. LOL 😆
Philippians 4:4-7
perhaps a snack before the meal?
Killer metaphor, Lance; do tell!
Good luck with your purchase. Let us know if you do find a hidden treasure in there... Cheers, RickO
The coins did not arrive. I contacted the the seller, with no reply. This morning PayPal notified me that the money was deposited to my account. Anticlimactic. Someone stupider than I? Thanks for trying to help me.
I like a good gamble.
Like to hunt a particular VAM and up mid four figures profit.
Bad pics mean opportunity, or if I am wrong... a place in my grading set
Especially during covid, I started buying cheap lots, albums, and proof sets.
Nothing terribly valuable, but rarely have I lost money after breaking/grading them up and keeping the ones that interested me.
The education is priceless and the fun... was fun
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Hmmm... so the seller never sent the coins, cancelled the sale, and just refunded you? Then ghosted you? This sounds like someone I'd like to block from my search results...
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I call them low hanging fruit. I have the same belief about bad pics. Pretty much your outlook.
However, I do not understand what you mean in the second sentence, VAM?
Yes. I think that they found another chump who gave more. I will stick to cents. I’ll clue you guys in when I get another deal like this.
The gold in this thread was LanceNewmanOCC’s remark. No one has pwned me as eloquently as he did.
Best possible outcome in this situation.
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.> @messydesk said:
I’d like to think that. The consensus of the responses in this thread concerned me after the post flurry.
VAM is short for Van Allen & Mallis.
Two guys that studied die marriages of Morgan and Peace Dollars for decades.
Some can be quite a cherrypick when found.
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.> The gold in this thread was LanceNewmanOCC’s remark. No one has pwned me as eloquently as he did.
no pwnage intended.
just wanted to show larger images so those than can/want to contribute prior to the coin's arrival could do so.
Do it again.
Re: sewer coins—it turns me on to picture my lovely bride fingering the coins from a ball of sewage sludge, and some of you too, but that is not how it happened. The coins were a part of in accretion that had dried and hardened on the Reese hitch socket that broke loose when the truck hit the water diversion bump at the top of the hill. She arrived chastely in a sleeveless summer dress holding the forty cents in subscription flaps from her magazines that she had used as scoop and tray to fetch the gritty jack. I hate to stomp butterflies.
" Here, hold my beer… "
Been holding your beer for awhile... here ya go, time to take it back!
Amen.