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How does a PF63 become a PF66RB … I guess over time !

retirednowretirednow Posts: 525 ✭✭✭✭✭

I enjoy patterns and especially to look back over older auctions to trace their lineage. I find it interesting when a piece changed grades several times and I guess one could say dramatically over the time … I guess like a fine wine that ages?

My 25C J-1270 (ex: Bob Simpson) is graded PCGS 66RB. I was able to trace it back through the decades claiming various grades. Of course, pre TPG and then after the advent of TPG

I believe these are all the same specimen comparing the various contemporary photos (PCGS TV / Heritage) with the older PDF auction catalogs.

Choice Toned Proof…. 1975, Bowers & Ruddy Sept, Winthrop Sale/ Lot #60
PF63/63 … 1986, Paramount Oct Auction Lot# 400 - “… Mint red, gold and violet toning…”
PF63/65 … 1992. Bowers & Merena May, The Somerset Collection Lot# 1724 ”… Hues of blue, violet, & gold with mint brilliance around stars and numerals…”
PCGS63 RB … 1997, Heritage Jul ANA / Lot #7328 then to NGC a year later,
NGC PF64BN… 1998, Superior Sept auction LOT #1876 then back to PCGS,
PCGS 66RB… 2020, in Bob Simpson sale

Pretty dramatic ... the 66 maybe a tad generous but it is a nice and rare piece never the less

I understand grading standards evolved over time but I often wonder how much?

If you have any of your pieces either increase “or decrease in grades” by a couple of points ... go ahead and share your story.

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,236 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gradeflation is alive and well!!

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,179 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For patterns, the grade doesn't matter as much as regular issue coins, at least in my opinion - it's more of a way to track which is the finest example (IMO) and such drastic examples of bumps like this seem more common with patterns.

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  • ByersByers Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I bought and sold this as a PR62.

    Recently it was re-designated as a mint state not proof, and went from 62 to 65.

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  • retirednowretirednow Posts: 525 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Byers said:
    I bought and sold this as a PR62.

    Recently it was re-designated as a mint state not proof, and went from 62 to 65

    Interesting change especially the MS Change. What a interesting and great piece. Nice

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  • goldengolden Posts: 9,549 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I had a $50 slug in an old green holder graded 30 go to a 40. I agree 100% because I think it was way under graded to start.

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,768 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Several coins with toning have upgraded over the years, due to a change in market demands for nice toned colors.
    I figure it is because PCGS wants grades to track prices, in general.
    But most of these are on silver coins.

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,609 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Count your blessings and don't look back........ :)

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For me, it is always the coin. Not the label, grade, slab, TPG.... Just the coin. Cheers, RickO

  • BustDMsBustDMs Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Like fine wine they improve with age……..

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,500 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There are outliers but by and large the grading has been pretty consistent. I bought some dollars recently as Uncs. that came back as AU58. After looking more closely I saw why. The AU/Unc grade levels are a pretty strong bright line. There is usually a good reason for the grade increase.

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,808 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This one only upgraded a point, but I would like to know how the reverse toned more - I doubt the blue PCGS holder did that

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 14, 2022 9:47AM

    @CaptHenway said:
    The grade is one thing and the value is another. The latter does not determine the former.

    It may be worth taking the ANA class covering market grading ;)

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 14, 2022 10:11AM

    @Connecticoin said:
    This one only upgraded a point, but I would like to know how the reverse toned more - I doubt the blue PCGS holder did that

    That's a nice toning progression.

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