How does a PF63 become a PF66RB … I guess over time !
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I enjoy patterns and especially to look back over older auctions to trace their lineage. I find it interesting when a piece changed grades several times and I guess one could say dramatically over the time … I guess like a fine wine that ages?
My 25C J-1270 (ex: Bob Simpson) is graded PCGS 66RB. I was able to trace it back through the decades claiming various grades. Of course, pre TPG and then after the advent of TPG
I believe these are all the same specimen comparing the various contemporary photos (PCGS TV / Heritage) with the older PDF auction catalogs.
Choice Toned Proof…. 1975, Bowers & Ruddy Sept, Winthrop Sale/ Lot #60
PF63/63 … 1986, Paramount Oct Auction Lot# 400 - “… Mint red, gold and violet toning…”
PF63/65 … 1992. Bowers & Merena May, The Somerset Collection Lot# 1724 ”… Hues of blue, violet, & gold with mint brilliance around stars and numerals…”
PCGS63 RB … 1997, Heritage Jul ANA / Lot #7328 then to NGC a year later,
NGC PF64BN… 1998, Superior Sept auction LOT #1876 then back to PCGS,
PCGS 66RB… 2020, in Bob Simpson sale
Pretty dramatic ... the 66 maybe a tad generous but it is a nice and rare piece never the less
I understand grading standards evolved over time but I often wonder how much?
If you have any of your pieces either increase “or decrease in grades” by a couple of points ... go ahead and share your story.
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Gradeflation is alive and well!!
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For patterns, the grade doesn't matter as much as regular issue coins, at least in my opinion - it's more of a way to track which is the finest example (IMO) and such drastic examples of bumps like this seem more common with patterns.
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I bought and sold this as a PR62.
Recently it was re-designated as a mint state not proof, and went from 62 to 65.
Interesting change especially the MS Change. What a interesting and great piece. Nice
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I had a $50 slug in an old green holder graded 30 go to a 40. I agree 100% because I think it was way under graded to start.
Several coins with toning have upgraded over the years, due to a change in market demands for nice toned colors.
I figure it is because PCGS wants grades to track prices, in general.
But most of these are on silver coins.
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Like fine wine they improve with age……..
A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
There are outliers but by and large the grading has been pretty consistent. I bought some dollars recently as Uncs. that came back as AU58. After looking more closely I saw why. The AU/Unc grade levels are a pretty strong bright line. There is usually a good reason for the grade increase.
Look at the grading history of the Garrett 1804 Dollar. Bowers auctioned it as an EF-40 over 40 years ago. We certified it at ANACS shortly thereafter as an EF-40, and I remember thinking that it just barely made it. Now it is in a holder as a Proof-55.
I have had people try to justify such grading based upon the value of the coin. That is nonsense. The grade is one thing and the value is another. The latter does not determine the former.
This one only upgraded a point, but I would like to know how the reverse toned more - I doubt the blue PCGS holder did that
It may be worth taking the ANA class covering market grading
That's a nice toning progression.