Counterfeit CBH? Need some opinions please!

WilliamF · August 10, 2022 5:34PM

I don't know this series very well, calling on some of the members here who are more familiar with these, I don't see anything right off that looks fishy, what do you guys think?
it's hard judging from less than great photos, that's why I need some more opinions, counterfeit or genuine?
Thanks!

Here's the photos that are available:

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291fifth · August 10, 2022 5:38PM

I'm no expert on the series but I don't like the looks of any of them.

Walkerguy21D · August 10, 2022 5:42PM

Stars, date, and portrait just seem a little off.
Reverse seems more worn than the obverse.
The “skin” doesn’t look normal either, but may be the lighting and photography.
Other than that….

MFeld · August 10, 2022 5:44PM

@291fifth said:
I'm no expert on the series but I don't like the looks of any of them.

Edited: Whether one or more coins, it is or they are counterfeit.

WilliamF · August 10, 2022 5:49PM

As far as I know, the pictures are all the same coin, just different lighting/angles.

my first thought regarding the skin was that it was cleaned/dipped and then retoned? I'm not sure...

fluffy155 · August 10, 2022 5:50PM

Fake, everything about the bust is wrong for an 1836. Just the fact that S7 is touching the cap is enough, there is no 1836 variety with that characteristic. The stars are from the 1820s.

LanceNewmanOCC · August 10, 2022 5:52PM

shoo wee. the date!

really though, all the letters/numbers and the overall look is peculiar as well.

pursuitofliberty · August 10, 2022 5:56PM

All three are fake ... very, very fake.

Understanding what a 36 looks like (which is nothing like a 24, for example), none of these should be deceptive, at all

1 Wrong portrait style and relief (appears adapted from earlier style) and wrong star type and size (comical, and WAY TOO LARGE for a 36). These two points alone should be a dead giveway, before you even go any further ... where we could look at letters and date punches, relief, etc., etc.

2 and 3 appear to be made from the same dies, so same tipoffs.

WilliamF · August 10, 2022 6:02PM

@pursuitofliberty said:
All three are fake ... very, very fake.

Understanding what a 36 looks like (which is nothing like a 24, for example), none of these should be deceptive, at all

1 Wrong portrait style and relief (appears adapted from earlier style) and wrong star type and size (comical, and WAY TOO LARGE for a 36). These two points alone should be a dead giveway, before you even go any further ... where we could look at letters and date punches, relief, etc., etc.

2 and 3 appear to be made from the same dies, so same tipoffs.

I think they're all the same coin, just differnt lighting/angles.
Thank you for the analysis! This is why I asked the people who know the series:)
I only have a couple examples of the type, saw this for a decent price and was wondering about it... No more!

pursuitofliberty · August 10, 2022 6:16PM

For those looking at CBH's, there are several different types. A brief list of differences;

The 1807 and 1808's are what can be considered the first type, and have unique portrait and eagle compared to the rest of the series

From 1809 to 1834, there are some minor differences as the dates progress, but they are not as noticeable unless you study the dates and the series closely.

In 1834 the obverse portrait was changed, and becomes noticeably different with a smaller head, longer neck and what I would consider a more feminine nose. Also, the largest stars by this point are much smaller than largest of dates past.

Then, of course, in 1836, the Reeded Edge issues starts at the very end of the year, where again the portrait changes and the reverse is also redesigned.