My failure to get the word out- a group of large cents for sale

burfle23

A friend and fellow EAC'er sent me a personal email about a group of large cents for sale; he had spent the time attributing them and was interested in my opinion...

I really didn't need to spend any time on the noted varieties as I had formulated an opinion in literally seconds after opening the email.

So, I ask readers humor me and consider their response if the note were to them- feel free after to click on the link which was a part of my response to him!

https://coinweek.com/counterfeits/struck-counterfeit-coins-another-family-of-struck-fake-large-cents/

Best, Jack.

LanceNewmanOCC

those dates!

coinbuf

I sure hope the fellow that sent you that email is new to large cents and the EAC.

rhedden

Where's the 1815? If you're going to fake large cents, you might as well go the extra mile.

WilliamF

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Zoins

These are great things to publish.

You should consider giving them designations so they can be discussed with precision.

WilliamF

Yikes...

**"Dear Friend (insert name),

I appreciate the time and effort you spent in attributing/grading these, however I regret to inform you that (based on my considerable experience with these) I have strong reason to believe that they are all counterfeits, here's why...
Poor strike details/common die markers/messed up dates/separated denticles/etc...."
**

And then I would send him some side by side pics of these compared with known genuine examples pointing out all the "tells" I could see in these.
Rough...

As a side note, your friend must not be into the classic heads all that much if he didn't recognize all the counterfeit markers?

ricko

Nice cents.... Good luck with the sale. Cheers, RickO

jafo50

Very informative article, thank you

Zoins

@burfle23 said:
So, I ask readers humor me and consider their response if the note were to them- feel free after to click on the link which was a part of my response to him!

https://coinweek.com/counterfeits/struck-counterfeit-coins-another-family-of-struck-fake-large-cents/

Best, Jack.

Dear Friend,

Thank you for sending me your coins. I'd love to get your permission to use them in an upcoming article....

Zoins

@burfle23 said:
My failure to get the word out

I've mentioned this before but to get the word out more, it seems important to be more explicit in your research so others can reference your work easier, like having variety numbers for the counterfeits, like the VAMs do.

burfle23

@Zoins said:

@burfle23 said:
My failure to get the word out

I've mentioned this before but to get the word out more, it seems important to be more explicit in your research so others can reference your work easier, like having variety numbers for the counterfeits, like the VAMs do.

So more people would see my articles and posts if I established "variety" numbers for each counterfeit?

Zoins

@burfle23 said:

@Zoins said:

@burfle23 said:
My failure to get the word out

I've mentioned this before but to get the word out more, it seems important to be more explicit in your research so others can reference your work easier, like having variety numbers for the counterfeits, like the VAMs do.

So more people would see my articles and posts if I established "variety" numbers for each counterfeit?

More people would probably see your articles as an extension of more people researching and assigning your variety numbers. You're doing all this research today which is great, but it seems like getting more people to use and discuss your research would be an evolution.

LanceNewmanOCC

@Zoins said:

@burfle23 said:

@Zoins said:

@burfle23 said:
My failure to get the word out

I've mentioned this before but to get the word out more, it seems important to be more explicit in your research so others can reference your work easier, like having variety numbers for the counterfeits, like the VAMs do.

So more people would see my articles and posts if I established "variety" numbers for each counterfeit?

More people would probably see your articles as an extension of more people researching and assigning your variety numbers. You're doing all this research today which is great, but it seems like getting more people to use and discuss your research would be an evolution.

just as a matter of discussion/brainstorming. do you think the spreadsheet is not sufficient? do you have any methods/protocols in mind. this isn't my area but i know there are a LOT of ways to catalog and organize but not the first clue about any template names etc. (we still use the sheldon scale from many years, even decades ago)

perhaps a simple date-run with different examples of the same dates, even when they have mixed dies, simply beside each other, 1, 5, 10 deep? from left to right that is.

it is possible that doing a full marriage identification could get a bit hairy not to mention be a lot of extra work, unless there were perhaps a central site like vamworld, variety vista. plenty of counterfeit tracking sites but i don't recall a SUPER organized one. (they may exist)

opportunity

Many of those are very suspect at first glance. I wish I could see them in hand, then I could know for sure.

Zoins

@LanceNewmanOCC said:

@Zoins said:

@burfle23 said:

@Zoins said:

@burfle23 said:
My failure to get the word out

I've mentioned this before but to get the word out more, it seems important to be more explicit in your research so others can reference your work easier, like having variety numbers for the counterfeits, like the VAMs do.

So more people would see my articles and posts if I established "variety" numbers for each counterfeit?

More people would probably see your articles as an extension of more people researching and assigning your variety numbers. You're doing all this research today which is great, but it seems like getting more people to use and discuss your research would be an evolution.

just as a matter of discussion/brainstorming. do you think the spreadsheet is not sufficient? do you have any methods/protocols in mind. this isn't my area but i know there are a LOT of ways to catalog and organize but not the first clue about any template names etc. (we still use the sheldon scale from many years, even decades ago)

perhaps a simple date-run with different examples of the same dates, even when they have mixed dies, simply beside each other, 1, 5, 10 deep? from left to right that is.

it is possible that doing a full marriage identification could get a bit hairy not to mention be a lot of extra work, unless there were perhaps a central site like vamworld, variety vista. plenty of counterfeit tracking sites but i don't recall a SUPER organized one. (they may exist)

I mentioned variety numbers for counterfeits like how VAMs are assigned for counterfeit Morgan’s. It’s a way to for many people to collaborate on research and discussion, while being able to be explicit about the pieces being discussed.

The other methods I’ve seen require each person to create their own cataloging which doesn’t promote shared research and discussion as well.