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I got this [nearly] complete Lincoln Cent set for $250. Should I get the 1914 D graded?

AlbumNerdAlbumNerd Posts: 125 ✭✭✭
edited July 27, 2022 7:28PM in U.S. Coin Forum

First post!!!

I purchased a nearly complete Lincoln Cent set that had everything except the dreaded 1909 s VBD and 1922 no date. The purchase price was only $250 and boy let me tell you, I was giddy the entire week as I felt I got one heck of a deal.

I went to two different dealers today and both have given their approval that the 1909 s, 1914 d, and 1931 s are authentic.

I would love folks here to give their opinions on grades and the value of some semi-key dates! Should I get any of the three graded?

Here is the entire album
1909 s

1914 d

1931 s

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 32,014 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1922 no D not "no date"

    None are worth getting graded for the sake of the grade. The 14D will probably not straight grade with that gouge.

    The reason to get them graded would only be for authentication.

    I wouldn't bother as the cost will likely outweigh any benefit.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 32,014 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Welcome to the forum!

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    seanqseanq Posts: 8,579 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The '09-S looks like RPM#1, no premium for the variety in that grade but a cool thing to note.

    Sean Reynolds

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,834 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think they all look like excellent album coins. I wouldn't bother getting them certified... I'd just enjoy them as they are.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AlbumNerd .... Welcome aboard. Nice album coins. Probably not worth getting graded, unless you just want authentication. Save your money for buying the missing cents. Cheers, RickO

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    JeffersonFrogJeffersonFrog Posts: 834 ✭✭✭✭✭

    First off, welcome to the Boards. It sounds like you are pleased with your purchase regardless. The "to slab or not to slab" question gets asked a lot on the Boards. It generally comes down to what YOU want - authentication, grade, plastic protection, value determination, sell/profit, sentiment, display, etc. It's not right or wrong, it's different.

    In looking through your album, one thing that caught my eye was the 1923-S. The coin is too far away in the picture to tell if it's really a BU RD coin, but an MS-63 RD 1923-S has a PCGS Price Guide value of $1,800.

    Congratulations on your pickup and welcome to the Boards.

    If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.

    Tommy

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    AlbumNerdAlbumNerd Posts: 125 ✭✭✭

    @JeffersonFrog said:
    First off, welcome to the Boards. It sounds like you are pleased with your purchase regardless. The "to slab or not to slab" question gets asked a lot on the Boards. It generally comes down to what YOU want - authentication, grade, plastic protection, value determination, sell/profit, sentiment, display, etc. It's not right or wrong, it's different.

    In looking through your album, one thing that caught my eye was the 1923-S. The coin is too far away in the picture to tell if it's really a BU RD coin, but an MS-63 RD 1923-S has a PCGS Price Guide value of $1,800.

    Congratulations on your pickup and welcome to the Boards.

    Wow I had no idea the 1923-s could fetch that much!

    I actually have two of them. Here are some pictures. I suspect the redder one was harshly cleaned

    Red

    Second coin

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    JeffersonFrogJeffersonFrog Posts: 834 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oops, never mind. It was worth a shot ...

    If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.

    Tommy

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    telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,752 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Any opinions on the last 1 on the date of the 1931-S?


    RIP Mom- 1932-2012
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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 32,014 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @telephoto1 said:
    Any opinions on the last 1 on the date of the 1931-S?

    It's a one.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 32,014 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JeffersonFrog said:
    Oops, never mind. It was worth a shot ...

    And so close. >:)

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    P0CKETCHANGEP0CKETCHANGE Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 28, 2022 9:22AM

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @telephoto1 said:
    Any opinions on the last 1 on the date of the 1931-S?

    It's a one.

    Is it? It doesn’t match up with the positioning of that digit on any other 31-S on Coin Facts. Here’s an example:

    The mint mark position is also off.

    Nothing is as expensive as free money.

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    telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,752 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @telephoto1 said:
    Any opinions on the last 1 on the date of the 1931-S?

    It's a one.

    Look closer, oh exalted padder of the post count.


    RIP Mom- 1932-2012
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    telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,752 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 28, 2022 9:26AM

    @P0CKETCHANGE I agree. the 1 doesn't look right. Spacing is off and it's notably different looking from the first 1.
    Altered date. Very commonly done even going back to the period when they first started bringing significant premiums.


    RIP Mom- 1932-2012
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    JeffersonFrogJeffersonFrog Posts: 834 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @JeffersonFrog said:
    Oops, never mind. It was worth a shot ...

    And so close. >:)

    We need a Bob Uecker clip .... juuuuusst missed being BU ....

    If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.

    Tommy

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MarkKelley said:
    I'd leave them raw so they'll fit into an album.

    They are all genuine, the 14-D would come back with a details grade.

    Leave them be.

    Pete

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    until proven otherwise, the 31-s is bad. either fake or altered. given the look of the coin, i'd lean towards altered.

    the goal here is if you can find at least one other authentic example that shows the high 2nd 1 in the date. the mm position doesn't appear to match any ones of the looked at as well.

    @AlbumNerd - please don't sell/trade the 31-s just yet. thanks

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I missed it. Yep. The 1931-S has been altered. Take a close look at the placement of the second one. The entire date and mintmark of a genuine 1931-S is posted below.

    Good eye, Lance.

    Pete

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    AlbumNerdAlbumNerd Posts: 125 ✭✭✭

    Wow good eye folks. I'm really bummed about the 1931s. My dealers weren't even able to spot that.

    I'll hold off on selling the album while I investigate further

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 32,014 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @telephoto1 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @telephoto1 said:
    Any opinions on the last 1 on the date of the 1931-S?

    It's a one.

    Look closer, oh exalted padder of the post count.

    It's still a one, oh humorless one.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 32,014 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @P0CKETCHANGE said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @telephoto1 said:
    Any opinions on the last 1 on the date of the 1931-S?

    It's a one.

    Is it? It doesn’t match up with the positioning of that digit on any other 31-S on Coin Facts. Here’s an

    The mint mark position is also off.

    It's definitely a one. I checked the other numbers, it's not a 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, or 0. It's a one. Whether or not it was always a one, I can't say.

    No one laughs anymore around here...smh...

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 32,014 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    @P0CKETCHANGE said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @telephoto1 said:
    Any opinions on the last 1 on the date of the 1931-S?

    It's a one.

    Is it? It doesn’t match up with the positioning of that digit on any other 31-S on Coin Facts. Here’s an

    The mint mark position is also off.

    It's definitely a one. I checked the other numbers, it's not a 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, or 0. It's a one. Whether or not it was always a one, I can't say.

    No one laughs anymore around here...smh...

    .
    .

    sometimes visual clues help us numis-humor-oriented-fold ;)

    Lol. It would help if I were a penguin.

    It is a one. It might always have been a one. I can't believe anyone would argue with my saying that it is a one... even if they didn't want to laugh at the joke.

    For those who need more detailed pointers, it could be an added "S". It could be an Aliexpress specialty. The problem may not be the one.

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,326 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It appears to be an 8 cut down to make a 3, you can see the remainder of perhaps an 8. The 3 is totally wrong as is the S.
    Shame.
    Jim


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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 32,014 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 28, 2022 12:40PM

    @jesbroken said:
    It appears to be an 8 cut down to make a 3, you can see the remainder of perhaps an 8. The 3 is totally wrong as is the S.
    Shame.
    Jim

    Why can't it be an added S? Are all the one positions the same that year?

    Aliexpress?

    37 modified to a 31?

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    MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jesbroken said:
    It appears to be an 8 cut down to make a 3, you can see the remainder of perhaps an 8.

    Were wheatbacks struck in the 1980's?

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 8,094 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For authentication purposes it may be worth a grading submission of the more valuable coins. I know a dealer who does bulk submissions of coins like that with one of PCGS' competitors for $6 a coin or so. Of course you can send in to PCGS but as you go up in costs it may undermine potential economic upside.

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,326 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree in regards to the wheatback, but just saying what the remains look like, perhaps pareidolia. Can't think of any other number 1-5 that would work. Regardless, the 3 is so different. Maybe someone with a lot of time could find what date the S is in this location. lol (JUST A JOKE) What is up, lol or an emoji doesn't work any longer, they are not pronouns?
    Jim


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    braddickbraddick Posts: 23,133 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Might it be a philly 1931 with an added mintmark?

    peacockcoins

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    @P0CKETCHANGE said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @telephoto1 said:
    Any opinions on the last 1 on the date of the 1931-S?

    It's a one.

    Is it? It doesn’t match up with the positioning of that digit on any other 31-S on Coin Facts. Here’s an

    The mint mark position is also off.

    It's definitely a one. I checked the other numbers, it's not a 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, or 0. It's a one. Whether or not it was always a one, I can't say.

    No one laughs anymore around here...smh...

    .
    .

    sometimes visual clues help us numis-humor-oriented-fold ;)

    Lol. It would help if I were a penguin.

    It is a one. It might always have been a one. I can't believe anyone would argue with my saying that it is a one... even if they didn't want to laugh at the joke.

    For those who need more detailed pointers, it could be an added "S". It could be an Aliexpress specialty. The problem may not be the one.

    The "one" is only one of the problems. The bottom of the 3 doesn't have that "hook" look.

    The mintmark is of the style often seen on altered 1909-S V.D.B. Cents.

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 32,014 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BuffaloIronTail said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    @P0CKETCHANGE said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @telephoto1 said:
    Any opinions on the last 1 on the date of the 1931-S?

    It's a one.

    Is it? It doesn’t match up with the positioning of that digit on any other 31-S on Coin Facts. Here’s an

    The mint mark position is also off.

    It's definitely a one. I checked the other numbers, it's not a 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, or 0. It's a one. Whether or not it was always a one, I can't say.

    No one laughs anymore around here...smh...

    .
    .

    sometimes visual clues help us numis-humor-oriented-fold ;)

    Lol. It would help if I were a penguin.

    It is a one. It might always have been a one. I can't believe anyone would argue with my saying that it is a one... even if they didn't want to laugh at the joke.

    For those who need more detailed pointers, it could be an added "S". It could be an Aliexpress specialty. The problem may not be the one.

    The "one" is only one of the problems. The bottom of the 3 doesn't have that "hook" look.

    The mintmark is of the style often seen on altered 1909-S V.D.B. Cents.

    Pete

    As I said, there are a lot of possibilities. But it is a one....

    [IT'S A JOKE!]

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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,542 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 28, 2022 6:46PM

    @braddick said:
    Might it be a philly 1931 with an added mintmark?

    Nope, 3 looks the same as on a genuine 31-S

    The “3” on OP coin looks more like the “3” on the 37-S

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 23,133 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You're right.
    This one is a curiosity.

    peacockcoins

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