Your help with old coin results
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Wrong ,wrong,wrong,wrong,wrong… We must get it right!! Lmbo sorry football flashback. Stay with me you will either be amazed or crying from laughter
Don’t worry you were all still wrong but I will take blame in some of that I’m just no good 
with a camera. Since my post on this coin a couple days ago I have found information that could very well explain this coins existence. First I said it was 1792 and it is this would rule out coronet no matter how things may seem they aren’t you are suffering from para something or another it’s where you seem what you want to instead of what’s there. I gave a description of the coin and one of you said a coin of that nature was never made , but I beg to differ 2 were. Being as they were minted 1792 they would most likely have had to been pattern not for circulation. I honestly would have thought someone would have mentioned also that we had no 25c pieces that year except for the Joseph wright Eagle on globe j-12 or that there was never a 25c coronet, but you guys stuck to your guns on it being a cent. I spent time cleaning I mean restoring it up so let’s look again hopefully it’s more clear.
dates are still heard to see but they are there
this image shows Liberty not on the head piece but above the head and flowing down the back and again I point out the breast which looks to have more of a uniform image.
note the 25 and on the next look at the lettering at the rim these things you won’t find on a coronet 
Ok so we just gonna hit the reverse lightly inside the wreath is an Eagle who is holding a shield inside his mouth he happens to be standing on a globe holding arrows in his left and a sprig in the right at about 1/3 the way up inside the wreath is the word quarter
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Ok so I’m pretty sure None are amazed and most are laughing but wait there is a twist. How many of you know who Robert Dunlap is? Ok well I’ll tell you he was the next door neighbor to Joseph Wright at his home in New York. Mr Dunlap at a point in his life wrote a book highlighting the most influential artists from the time and Wright happened to be one of them. In his book Dunlap recalls a visit to the wright home in which he is shown a drawing Joseph had done of a coin, this drawings description was included in his book. The description is a match to this coin and way off from the coin J-12. I know there are those of you who have it in your head I see a coin in a book and start trying to match it to something rare, nothing could be further from the truth. Like the ugly sister I posted earlier this coin was in a batch I bought and I had no plans for it because like you I could only see a coronet. Through me being bored I picked it out of the box to take a closer look and found it was something different. I’ve tried for a few months to find its origins, this is how I do it and if I’m doing it wrong please feel free to share your process
Pareidolia..
Occam's razor...
My process is to see a corroded old cent and recognize it is JUST a corroded old cent.
One thread about this coin was more than enough. Starting another one isn’t going to sway anyone and was inconsiderate.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
The coin is a heavily corroded large cent that is so far gone that it has little or no value.
You must be wearing some kind of powerful glasses to see all that, I guess your camera just doesn't pick up on it...
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Sorry, but there is ABSOLUTELY no evidence of this being anything other than a corroded Coronet cent, regardless of what your overactive imagination says. I know you gave a lot of excuses why you can't send it for authentication, but unless its authenticated, your coin will always be a corroded cent, regardless what you want to believe. Send it in if you truly believe you have something. You'll easily recoup your costs if you're right.
What is going on with this site? Too many new members with wild imaginations, posting heavily corroded or counterfeit coins and then insisting they have some new discovery piece. Then after getting feedback from expert researchers, experienced dealers, former TPG graders, and knowledgeable collectors with decades of experience, come back and say "I don't believe you".
It's almost like they believe the members are the equivalent to some random guy sitting at the end of the bar throwing out random opinions.
I'm confident that some such members are trolls, and that they enjoy toying with the members who take the time to try to help them.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I was only trying to share what I had found with who I thought might be interested in the possibilities that exist . Seems that there are some here who have forgotten what it’s like to be excited about the field and have fallen into state repetition. If you would really like to help the new guys I would suggest trying to see their excitement and guide them and that energy in a direction helpful to their lack of understanding. Ie. try this book by … on attributions or maybe this one on known VAMs rather than dismissing them without answering and real question they might have. As for this coin what I can see in hand is very different from what I can obviously capture in film that doesn’t mean it isn’t there, nor does it mean this coin won’t be sent in those things are referred to a assumptions. Truthfully and you don’t have to answer me but be honest to you, how many of you knew the connection to Joseph Wright and his description of the coin I referred to ? That alone should have been enough to show the amount of dedication to the research I have put into this coin and my willingness to identify it. seems a bit much for for someone without a willingness to learn and way more than the effort a Troll might put in. Now as for being a Troll I find this to be an insult to anyone how lacks the education but has a drive. The was I understand Trolling it has a few parts but the most important element as I would see it , would be a need or desire to for a response from someone and I can assure you MFeld your comments lack that element. Way I see it sir you are the example of what may be wrong with the expansion and enjoyment of the hobby and as a representative of Heritage Auction i as your employer would have serious issue with it. But hey Thais is just one guy’s opinion 😙
So much wasted time...
Just so you realize, there is a fair chance if you sent it to TPG it would come back "Questionable Authenticity" or "Unable to authenticate because of corrosion." To support the claims you are making you would need a better example.
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I don't know what happened, the forum ate my previous post. I will try my best to recreate it.
On one hand you claim to be a new collector driven by desire, willing to learn, but a lack of education. On the other you claim to have done your research and to know more than the experienced and well respected numismatists on this message board. Not to mention the fact that you know Mark works for Heritage, all the while claiming to not be a troll. Methinks thou doth protest too much...
Numismatics is a science. Fact based, evidence based. It is not based on "wishful thinking" or "possibilities". You have been constantly asked to give direct, irrefutable evidence for your claims, and you have failed to do so. You say your camera skills are bad, I say to the contrary, your pictures are just fine; they are far clearer than the pictures a typical forum newbie posts. What we are lacking is your imagination in interpreting those pictures the same way you are.
Conclusion: The OP has a religious belief that their coin is special, and somehow not merely a corroded coronet cent, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Evidence that the coin is a coronet cent:
- the portrait resembles a coronet cent.
- the words "ONE CENT" can be seen inside the wreath, in the location that those words ought to appear on the coronet cent.
We are, and have been. As far as any reasonable person can tell, you have a mostly-worthless corroded cent. We are trying to tell you this, in as patient and reasonable a way as we can. You have gone onto multiple coin forums with your coins and received this exact same answer on all of them. Most of those other forums have already banned or blocked you, because your irrational behaviour in demanding belief in your improbable hypotheses may cause confusion amongst other newbies. Frankly, it's irrational behaviour that we do not want to encourage.
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Do I need to point out the obvious?
I appreciate the honesty unlike what some may say of me and or my intentions.
Touche, I guess you're more observant than I am. Funny how you didn't address any of my other points though.
I can and will address each. New collector, willing to learn and have desire which is where lack of education comes in and yes i researched an incredible amount material to draw my conclusion and yet in the field I remain uneducated to all of this I openly admit. So now then I have no doubt that there are many among this forum with knowledge to spare but am I to assume that they should know everything? I had one tell me they never produced a coin like that I describe. Now I understand if you can’t see the images I’m referring to no problem say it and move on. Like I said just because you aren’t seeing it doesn’t make it any less real nor does it cause me to think I’m more intelligent. Now judging the comments of personal attacks from some on the other hand most definitely causes me to question theirs.
I’ve made the decision to cut back on a couple things this month despite it leaving me short or not and will be heading to Austin Tx in the morning. I would love to meet each and everyone of you if you can make it if not I understand I will post what I find out when I get back
Dug Large cent very common as they come from the ground... If you feel these have a value I have better then 50 that are a clone to the one you have here. I would be pleased to make these available for a price so you can research each one and get back to us on what you see. Just think about the opportunity I am making available to you. You could contribute the HIBucky Large Cent collection into a research document with pictures, describing what you see in each coin.
Ok so had my drive to Austin tx show like I said and you were correct. I hope this makes you feel all big and bad. I mean I never took into consideration they would need to see the date so you were correct little to corroded lol but I thought this might happen so I was prepared. No that doesn’t mean I sen t it off I did send the 1799 NC1 should be back few days as for this one I will be sending out probably monday. Ok so here is how I see it when I buy a coin I realize it has no numismatic value and if it does it’s very little. I’m also aware you see no value in it though I attempt to have others see anything I might see because in the end if there is no value then cleaning doesn’t hurt it. If cleaning uncovers do not get all upset I’m not making anyone look at the coin if you don’t care move on if you care look ar reverse bottom of wreath at date quarter across middle obverse just under chin of bust to top of head Washington look at his coat as I have been saying it’s the same one as in the Portrait by Wright same big nose and slope of for head
what I’m seeing it once again has a value see
Let me get this straight. Everyone here told you that your hypothesis was wrong, you disagreed and took it to a coin show where everyone there also told you your hypothesis was wrong, but you still won’t accept that and are going to send the coin off to a grading service? What will you do when they tell you your hypothesis was wrong?
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This is like stepping on the wrong end of a rake over and over and expecting it to toss a 1799 cent in your hand. Instead you get smacked in the face and blame people for bullying you after being told over and over you will only get smacked every time.
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Oh ye of little faith.don’t take that wrong, but none of you have given a seconds thought that I may be right yet judge me for being just as self assured as you.
I see all of you telling me it’s impossible and you see me doing the same but I tell you this you don’t know me because if you did you would know I don’t find anything impossible, improbable yes but never impossible.
So now let me turn the question around what will you do when they say it is?
It doesn’t make any difference that you “don’t find anything Impossible”. What counts is the reality of how the coin could have been and was produced.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
One last thing about me, when it comes to arguing a point it will be as though you chose to wrestle a pig in a mud pit won’t take long to find he’s enjoying it.
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Time to let this thread die🙄
And this is why I refuse to have a Battle of wits against someone who who apparently came unarmed
Tis true. Trolls were vicious warriors.
Oh and by the way I’ll give you the answer BBQ Corn Nuts lol
This sure sounds like the 3-Legged Buffalo thread from BNB from years ago
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