Let’s try this one 1799 draped bust 1c
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I’m not going to say what I think it is instead if you want take a look at liberty and the die crack above the fraction bar along with any other PIPs and let me know what you think and maybe a ballpark on the value if you have an idea (won’t hold no one to the estimate just curious)
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It's hard to tell without any pics.
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@NeveroddoreveN ... Welcome aboard. We will need pictures to help you. Cheers, RickO
It's worth exactly one pixel.
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That is pretty roasted. I have no idea on the date
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It's going to need a Large Cent attribution expert... too corroded for me to even begin.
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Not sure where you got 1799 from, it's impossible from those pics to get a date.
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If you apply some mineral oil, pat it off, try some indirect light, A small flashlight, move it around, you might reveal the shadow of numerics. Good luck. Peace Roy
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I have a pretty good idea where he got 1799 - the same way he might have chosen any other date, if it, rather than 1799 had been the most valuable one of the type.😉
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That coin is so corroded, the only shot you have of determining the date is to figure out the Sheldon variety. Even that may not be possible but it seems there may be some things to work with.
Let us know if you can come up with anything
Well, it COULD be a 1799 cent.
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Well, after a cursory comparison with an S-189 (the more common of the two 1799 varieties), I think that yes, it could be an S-189.
The reverse details of the wreath match, and from what little I can see of the obverse, also (with some reservation due to the extreme weakness).
I have not checked against S-188, the overdate and scarcer variety of 1799.
The big question is will the grading services slab this coin assuming a large cent expert can find enough details to positively identify it as one of the 1799 cent varieties. Even in that condition, a slabbed genuine 1799 would have considerable value.
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Good point. I would post this in the EAC forum, and hopefully one of the early copper experts there (or maybe somebody here) will weigh in.
As I mentioned, I cannot rule out S-189.
Hint the answer is in the reverse and it’s many Faults lol man I Crack me up
This is not a place to play games, especially after your previous posts.
Have you determined the Sheldon variety, and if so, what is your evidence? There are a few members here who are extremely knowledgeable on the subject of early copper and can help with confirmation.
And no MFeld I chose the date 1799 because it more closely matched the 1799 minted on the coin.
see what I’m saying. This is another of mine she’s the ugly sister we don’t let her out. So that brings us to only 2 more options. Tell you what I’ll make it easier for you and give you an extra hint. It’s time for me to leaf but a few parting words before I go. At times it may be better to step out onto a limb rather than cross it.
you can now see, I hope it’s more clearly inline with what you were expecting to see oh and as you can also see the 7-99 are to close together to be the
Don’t mean to offend anyone so don’t be offended. I love good banter like the comments concerning how I might have come up with a date or an attribution Guessed at rather than working to find that some funny stuff, I find it’s all in good fun and hope the rest of you will also.
So what was the point of this post?
Was looking for Confirmation as to what I see since apparently I can’t seem to get any of them correct not to mention people Have a hard time finding value in a coin like this so they pass it by once you claim a if to be a rarity
A total waste of time.
I recently sent photos of this coin for an appraisal and luckily it was done by gentleman we will just call him Bill who was, as I understand boss of the department. Bill evidently took a good hard long look and replied “ your collections worth about $20” this was the second time I had tried to have them look at the coin. Like I said all I wanted was confirmation and an opportunity for everyone else to see my money isn’t wasted on old coins.
On the reverse, the ribbon next to the A extends too far down toward the rim to be a 99. Compare the relationship on where the ribbon ends to the A.
Appreciate it slider but it seems right to me it’s probably the picture I posted I’m no camera man lol
Suggest taking it to a major coin show and show it to a couple large cent dealers. Don't mention the 1799 date. Just ask them if there's enough detail to identify the Sheldon variety. If you do this, let us know what you find out.
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I can't see any trace of a date, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the real hard core large cent guys could identify it by what details it has.
I would love to Perryhall unfortunately I’m on disability and it don’t pay enough for me to drive that far closest big show would probably be Dallas that’s a 2hr drive. Never in a million years would I have guessed I would find this coin I mean really a 1799 NC1 how insane is that and yet it pales in comparison to the other 2 coins I possess and with luck can open other’s eyes to their existencenn
I know money for grading fees on a fixed income is probably tough to come up with too. But if this is a 1799 cent and you have 2 more coins that are better than this one, it would be well worth if to have them certified by PCGS or NGC.
I know I would want them in one of the top TPGS' holders, regardless of whether I intended to sell them or hold them.
contact bob grellman. you can show him the images to give him the chance to say whether he wants to take it on or not. he has told me he prefers not to do lower grade/heavily damaged coins (for obvious reasons) BUT that was really with later middle and late dates. for a possible 1799 that he can partially get an idea of from images, there is probably a good chance he will but it is up to him.
it is unlikely you are going to as easily find a master of large cents to assist you with this coin. it will be much cheaper than grading/shipping fees to/from the tpgs. (depending on his schedule, probably quicker too) not to mention it is a LOVELY experience working with him on large cent subs. i probably would have sent him more over the years but i know he keeps a hoppin'.
i would just ask for some more pics but we can save the do-si-do.
no offense to the TPGs as they do run a business at least partly mandated on coins per hour and more to stay in business so i realistically couldn't ask them to spend a long time on a coin like this (unless it is easier to tell in-hand than these pics).
Ok so last shot for all to see try this one Icutler it’s a little clearer
You are absolutely correct Adaml grading fees kill me biggest reason I don’t send them off as much I would like to. As for the 2 better so we are clear these aren’t 1799 matter of fact they are like nothing seen before unfortunately they are damaged and difficult to get around describing them through pictures lol everyone want to believe they are something they aren’t then accuse me of the same.
I can't make out 1799 in that, in fact I think I see a "0" but too much corrosion for me to make even a guess. Something I do with heavily corroded coins I find metal detecting is take a smooth new piece of aluminum foil and carefully make a rubbing. It is sometimes easier to make out details on the rubbing.
Ok so told everyone I would be heading to the Austin Tx show and I did I took 2 coins one of which was this 1799 which I sent off to Anacs should be back about a week let ya know how it turned out shouldn’t be a problem we will see
Did you show it to any of the large cent dealers to get their opinion? Let us know how ANACS grades it.
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Keep us posted, good luck.
Actually Perry very small venue maybe at best 20 tables none with any large cent older than coronet most all specialized in silver but had ol boy from Anacs look at it he said he wasn’t sure because of the date being so faint, but think I fixed it. Either way the PIPs should easily verify this coin all the die cracks are ther has the double center mark stem through leaves instead of under you name it. I’m hopeful it will hit at least G4 but even genuine with details this thing is worth crazy being only the 9th found in 225yrs.
Most definitely keep you up to date on it shouldn’t take long at all couldn’t stand the thought of waiting weeks or months to hear on it so shelled out 2 day way I look at it quicker it gets back quicker I can find an auction for it sell it and buy a few nicer ones lol
You can't afford grading fees because you are on disability but you paid Express 2 day?🤔
You’re “hopeful it will hit at least G4 but even genuine with details…”. While anyone can hope for whatever they want, I’ve never seen a cent in that condition receive a straight grade. If you have, I’d love to see a picture of it.
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I hear ya, what’s the point of sleeping if we can’t dream though ? Believe in anything and be grateful for what you get and you won’t be as disappointed. I try and set the bar low when it comes to expectations hasn’t let me down yet just look at my health I figured I’d be dead by 20 the way I lived and here I am almost 30yrs past that mark. Like I said Genuine with details I can work with that.
Time to let this thread die😂