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(Did)/Will this 1851-O $20 straight grade? Grade posted!!
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I bought a small set over the weekend. Sold all but one at a Sunday show and on BST.
I have an 1851-O left over. Would this straight grade in your opinion?
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It looks to have a nice patina, I am concerned about the marks in the L obv field, are they deep enough to be considered scratches or damage? Hard for me to tell. There is also the mark at the rim 9:00 rev which by itself I don't think would preclude a grade. So "maybe, it depends." (gotta go to work now I'm sure there will be more useful opinions by the time I get home this evening!)
I am concerned about the lines on the obverse fields.... cannot tell what they are from... and plentiful as well. Just suspect that may get 'details'. ICBW... Cheers, RickO
Old gold gets beaten up pretty easily. It could go either way.
Yup. Borderline on whether it gets a straight grade or not. Well worth getting it graded in any event.
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Hard to tell from the pics but similar concerns. Harshly cleaned is my best guess.
I can't tell cleaning vs. normal contact marks from the images provided. I would submit it if just to get a "Genuine" designation and a details grade....
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My wager probably yes. Many marks took a lot of hits. XF40 MV About a $4700 coin. No CAC as this is a C coin. I would send in get verdict.
Once back - Would probably need to be discounted to like $4000 to move it. Somewhere somebody needs it to fill hole. MS70 is perfect.
Walk it around the bourse at a show c what they offer. Hope the fall to Earth not too rough.
I'd say yes. Net it to 40 from 45?
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It shouldn't. Far too many marks.
Not the best picture but I would lean more towards yes than no.
Fingers crossed!
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I agree, I'd submit it. Worse case it will increase the potential resale audience. A genuine O mint Type I $20 isn't exactly the easiest thing to find
it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide
XF/AU more likely the latter. I don't see cleaned.
The pictures are not helping the cause. I see it as a tough call and a tough sell for it to straight grade given the apparent issues scattered throughout the obverse lower half. I would rather not offer an opinion and raise a potential expectation as to the outcome.
Regardless as to what I may think... or anyone else for that matter... It remains a historical coin that has a strong following.
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I'll be honest - if I was the grader I'd say details.
I do think it's a 50/50 coin depending on who saw it. It's close.
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Due to the original looking color and compared to other slabbed 20's I've seen, being such a large coin of a softer metal. I would lean toward a straight grade.
i say no. but it should be in a slab anyway.
Someone educate me here. I like the coin a lot, and I'd be proud to own it, but many of those "marks" on the obverse are so regular, organized, and parallel. That makes me think of a wire brush. But no one else seems to be thinking this way.
No
I'd send it in to both major services if first time around it doesn't go well.
$3600 in xf45 and $4200 in AU50. Hard to judge from the pictures. The services will give you a fair shake.
I'm thinking it will straight grade but it's a 50/50 shot.
Even if it does make it into a straight graded holder it is going to be a tough sell. It just isn't a good looking coin.
Hard to tell from your pictures but this would be a coin that I would submit multiple times if it doesn’t initially straight grade.
It really is. My photo is poor
Net grade it at VF-35.
Update -
I sent the coin in , hoping and praying for a straight grade.
It is in the encapsulation phase today.
Fingers crossed!
I will post results (and a Trueview if it gets graded.
@Yorkshireman good luck! This is the hardest part of the waiting game... Encapsulation!
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I wouldn't call it "cleaned".
But I think the diagonal lines on the obverse are too deep for a problem-free grade.
Also there appears to be an old slice at the R of AMERICA.
I used to like NGC's "gold rush" option; $20 a coin, from $5 Libs to $20 pieces, I overnighted them, they would get there the next day and get graded within 5 business days! Those turn around times are no longer operative nor the charges. You have a good shot at a good grade due to the originality of the coin, hopefully this will be the first time it has the graders examining it.
Its been wiped, probably a few times and its a bit scuffy. I have seen worse in straight graded holders but its a long shot IMO.
depends on the hairlines @ 7oclock by the rim. They look like a deal breaker from that photo
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Good luck. We should be hearing from you in a month
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Grade came back this morning—
XF45.
I will post Trueview once posted.
A month ago I wanted to own a nice graded O mint $20. Now I own two.
I bought an AU53 CAC from Legend right after I buying a collection containing the raw coin in this post. I was scared to pass it up without being sure this would grade.
One will be for sale soon, but which one??
I am well aware of the mantra “Buy the best you can afford.”
Thoughts?
Maybe I should see what CAC has to say about this XF.
Congratulations, that's a good and fair grade.
We have the disadvantage of looking at an image... our host graders saw the coin in hand. And while at this moment in time, I will defer to their judgment... even though I do not agree with it from where I sit in the process. I suspect this coin may have received what I will call and coin the phrase as a "Historical Pass". And to some degree, it may deserve that. However, I would not be willing to push the envelop any further. I would be more inclined to keep both coins. I see this coin as a survivor of a difficult time... the other as being one that survived in a better state.
Probably not what you want to hear... but don't be angry with a candid collector that writes what he sees.
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Way to go! Congrats on the grade
I don’t need two 1851-O $20’s!
hmm. i was in the decent au camp from the images.
isn't cac closed right now?
They opened up again
Late to the party, but my initial thoughts were XF40.
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I thought 40
Came back 45
I’m a lucky guy!
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Congrats on the grade!!
I’d like to have that problem.
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