daniel carr 1921 peace dollar

silverbul

was at my local pawn shop and they have a dc 1921 roman numeral counter stamp that is not antiqued. are such coins out there? looks legit to me, can't post pics until monday as i didn't have my phone on me and he is closed until monday. thoughts.

LukeMarshall

This is the information I garner from the Moonlight Mint Catalogue

530 produced ,
525 of which were antiqued (either lightly wear yellow, or heavy wear blue)
5 were brilliant

Check to see if the coin has any wear on the high points, its possible it could have been an antiqued version that was "dipped" white.

Let us know, and feel free to share a pitcure with the group next time you are face to face with her.

gumby1234

I think he made antiqued and non antiqued. @dcarr would know for sure.

JBK

www.dc-coin.com is his website. It will also link you to a site where he maintains a catalog of all issues.

Off the top of my head, that sounds like one of his. Odd thar it turned up at a pawn shop. I wonder if it was stolen... The original owner should have known of better places to sell it for full value.

What was the price? That might help get you some opinions on how good a deal it is.

TomB

The DC website shows a small number as not having an antiqued finish with the 1921 counterstamp and a much larger number with a brilliant finish with no counterstamp. It might be one fo the former or one of the latter with an after-market counterstamp. Alternatively, there were lightly antiqued 1921 issues with the counterstamp and perhaps the antiquing is very faint or has been removed.

silverbul

the lps owner said the guy came in and pawned the coin for personal reasons wanting to come back and take it out of pawn and never returned. he wants 300 for it, when i looked at it it has a nice cartwheel effect and doesn't looked cleaned, doesn't mean it isn't. will get pics on monday.

JBK

It's a recent issue. I'd be cautious, but I'm guessing it's likely in it's original configuration. No idea if the price is reasonable. I'm guessing he's asking for full value at least.

Che_Grapes

I believe that someday the d carr coins will be very valuable. Maybe not immediate but in 50 to100 years or so - numismatic legend, special mint press from Denver, and highly collectible even now with low mintages. No one else does what he does with the level of notoriety and success - he can’t even keep his coins in stock. And they are beautiful too.
Just my opinion.

braddick

@Che_Grapes said:
I believe that someday the d carr coins will be very valuable. Maybe not immediate but in 50 to100 years or so - numismatic legend, special mint press from Denver, and highly collectible even now with low mintages. No one else does what he does with the level of notoriety and success - he can’t even keep his coins in stock. And they are beautiful too.
Just my opinion.

I love your optimism.
Not so much the future pricing of Moonlight Mint coins yet rather generations from now will be collecting coins.

alefzero

I have a Brilliant one and will post pics later.

CaptHenway

I like that these have the 2021 minting date counterstamp. Hard for anybody to think that this was actually made in 1921, though unfortunately there are people that stupid. You would not believe the number of calls I have taken over the last 47 years from people who had a Bicentennial quarter or half or dollar who started out "I have a coin made in 1776!!!"

Che_Grapes

jesbroken

I never could pronounce Roman numbers. Only vowel was an I. Like talking with dry oatmeal in your mouth.
Jim

justmenutty72

I’m waiting for the genuine U.S. Mint issue 1964-D to show up on the market. I think it exists, just a matter of time til it makes its grand appearance. And when it does, look out! 🤩🤩🤩

robec

@alefzero said:
I have a Brilliant one and will post pics later.

No counter stamp on those. The are gorgeous!

alefzero

@robec said:

@alefzero said:
I have a Brilliant one and will post pics later.

No counter stamp on those. The are gorgeous!

Mine is one of the five brilliant with the counterstamp.

robec

@alefzero said:

@robec said:

@alefzero said:
I have a Brilliant one and will post pics later.

No counter stamp on those. The are gorgeous!

Mine is one of the five brilliant with the counterstamp.

Wow 🤩 Very cool!!👍

ricko

I like DCarr's work and have a couple of pieces. Should have got a Peace dollar, did not. Cheers, RickO

gumby1234

@ricko They are out there for sale. Not cheaply thou.

braddick

PCGS now grades these, right?

COCollector

@JBK said:
It's a recent issue. I'd be cautious, but I'm guessing it's likely in it's original configuration. No idea if the price is reasonable. I'm guessing he's asking for full value at least.

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Definitely worth a follow-up visit: It's possible (but unlikely) that it's available for MUCH less than issue price.

That is, the pawn shop might've bought it for around bullion price -- especially if it was part of a large bullion hoard from unknowledgeable heirs looking for a quick sale.

But more likely it's priced over $200. Maybe WAY over. Even a rookie pawn shop salesperson can do a quick ebay search, finding this already-sold MCMXXI peace dollar: https://www.ebay.com/itm/234530738812?ViewItem=&item=234530738812

TomB

@COCollector said:

@JBK said:
It's a recent issue. I'd be cautious, but I'm guessing it's likely in it's original configuration. No idea if the price is reasonable. I'm guessing he's asking for full value at least.

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Definitely worth a follow-up visit: It's possible (but unlikely) that it's available for MUCH less than issue price.

That is, the pawn shop might've bought it for around bullion price -- especially if it was part of a large bullion hoard from unknowledgeable heirs looking for a quick sale.

But more likely it's priced over $200. Maybe WAY over. Even a rookie pawn shop salesperson can do a quick ebay search, finding this already-sold MCMXXI peace dollar: https://www.ebay.com/itm/234530738812?ViewItem=&item=234530738812

He already wrote that they wanted $300 for it.

COCollector

@braddick said:
PCGS now grades these, right?

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Maybe yes, maybe no. From another thread:

@philographer said:
Set out on a little project to have my “1964-D” Fantasy Over-Struck Peace Dollars graded by PCGS. Happy to report that they’ve been graded…

...To be clear, the three 1964-D tokens I submitted were either Die Pair 5 or 6, minted in late 2010 and early 2011, respectively... My assumption is that later issues (e.g. Die Pair 9 from 2020) should not be eligible for grading at this time...

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1057239/my-daniel-carr-1964-d-peace-dollars-have-been-graded-by-pcgs/p1#pagetop

COCollector

I'm hoping Dan will make MCMXXII (1922) Peace dollars.

@TomB said:

@COCollector said:

@JBK said:
It's a recent issue. I'd be cautious, but I'm guessing it's likely in it's original configuration. No idea if the price is reasonable. I'm guessing he's asking for full value at least.

.
Definitely worth a follow-up visit: It's possible (but unlikely) that it's available for MUCH less than issue price.

That is, the pawn shop might've bought it for around bullion price -- especially if it was part of a large bullion hoard from unknowledgeable heirs looking for a quick sale.

But more likely it's priced over $200. Maybe WAY over. Even a rookie pawn shop salesperson can do a quick ebay search, finding this already-sold MCMXXI peace dollar: https://www.ebay.com/itm/234530738812?ViewItem=&item=234530738812

He already wrote that they wanted $300 for it.

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Oops, I missed that.

TomB

I've missed plenty of things in threads, too. It happens to all of us!

Onastone

I caught it!! Mine is antiqued blue

silverbul

pawn owner came back early, i went ahead and pulled the trigger. no coa but il just put it in my dc collection. luster is out of this world. thoughts?

JBK

That's the rare blurry version.

If you're happy with it then I'd say it was a good purchase. They can't be very easy to find.

silverbul

@JBK said:
That's the rare blurry version.

If you're happy with it then I'd say it was a good purchase. They can't be very easy to find.

i know, the Kodak Instamatic should be retired. lol

TomB

I think it looks really good.