🤔 Disregard the Cleaned -AU detail due to Eye Appeal?
Paradisefound
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🤔 Just wondered how seasoned collector think about this scenario.
To what point would you consider a Cleaned-AU coin until deciding it as a complete NO?
I like the look on the detail coin; 1st coin is currently on active bidding.
The less attractive is BIN MS62BN $850.
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In addition to looking unoriginal, the top coin has a distracting scratch above the first two digits of the date and several marks between stars 4 and 5. With patience, you can do quite a bit better, even for a details-grade example.
The $850 price guide price for the MS62BN is $190 higher than one sold for in March.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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Thank you, Ms. @Paradisefound.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Yes, absolutley, GREAT information.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
It's all relative to your goals and budget. Generally you will be happier waiting (and saving up) for a problem free example. However there are cases where a details coin could work. I did a type set that was meant to be inexpensive and stored in an album, so I went with several details examples where I still liked the coin and found it to be nice enough for my eye.
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He is well respected with folks who collect EAC. In addition, he will give you his expert opinion on what EAC grade the coin may attain, which is different and actually more important in that community.
I prefer the top one, even with its' problems.
It seems to be better struck and has a nice color to it.
JMHOP
Pete
The bottom coin looks better struck in multiple areas to me. That aside, while I believe in “to each his own”, the color that you prefer on the first coin is quite a ways from original looking.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Would you put the second coin in the original group?
To answer the question, I would consider a details coin if it was a tough date/variety, had decent eye appeal, and was priced right.
But it appears that you are seeking an example of a large cent from the Randall hoard. These are relatively plentiful in problem free condition, and many have great eye appeal. If you are only getting one, take your time and get a really nice straight graded example.
So how much is the 1st coin????
Edit...just reread and saw it's up for active bidding. If it goes cheap enough...go for it if you like it!
If you like the look of the cleaned coin over that of a more original coin, what else is there to consider, really?
You may not be able to sell as easily, if it comes to that. Your numismatic friends may not agree with you. You can’t use a details coin in the registry. You may become more numismatically enlightened and change your mind later.
Still, personal preference should trump all. If you prefer the first one in terms of eye appeal, no need to consider the bottom coin.
I can’t tell for certain from the images, whether some areas have been cleaned or recolored.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Nope - no details coins for me. A problem coin dealer friend picks them off auctions where he thinks too cheap. Then retails them (in their details slab) of course considerably discounted.
I agree with Cougar1978, no detailed coins for me either.
Nothing else will do
I would just wait to find the right coin at the right price that you will be happy with "forever"
Plus the fact that I'm a CAC guy
Save up and buy right
Mike
My Indians
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The details coin looks a bit bright in the TrueView.
The slab photos look for inline with a coin that is less bothersome.
peacockcoins
Thank you all for your time ☺️ I will wait for the right one to come along.
Good! In the meantime look at CoinFacts and other sources. Unless you really want an 1818, also consider 1819 and especially 1820.
There are dozens of examples of these cents that you can study and develop your eye. Then you’ll know a nice one when you see it, that really speaks to you.
Good luck!
Given the choice between the two examples I'd go with the details on top as the lower straight graded is also far from truly wholesome which almost seems like it's been chemically recolored.
Of the two coins, I prefer the second one. Just based on the picture, it has the more original look and typical chocolate color of those coins. JMO Cheers, RickO
Going by @braddick posted pictures, that coin looks like it might straight grade on another day. Just a typical large cent attended to by a collector with a little care and a camel brush.
Also, a TrueView or other photo can hide hairlines from an abrasive cleaning, or hide an unnaturally glossy surface that has been polished. For a common coin, it is better to buy straight graded. For very rare varieties (R-6 to R-8) or rare dates, it is a matter of what detail issues are acceptable to the collector.
I don’t trust TVs, particularly with copper coins.
As others have advised, this is a type readily found in nice original condition.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
@Paradisefound said: Thank you all for your time ☺️ I will wait for the right one to come along.
I really think that's the best approach. Buying the "details" coin might sound good now but you seem to have a discriminating taste in coins and probably won't be satisfied with owning it. Ditto for the MS62 coin which has uneven color, quite a bit of chatter/unstruck flaws on the obverse and a strike that robs from the beauty of this elegant design. When I collected Large Cents I always looked for even color, a minimum of marks and stars that were fully struck. That usually means MS64 or higher, so save your "pennies" and strap in for a nice search.
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In determining which coin I would accept, it would matter as to intentions being the determining factor. For resale, I probably would not be interested in a details coin(probably), but then price comes in to play. In this case without the benefit of TV's, the 2nd 18 would be my choice, as it appears better struck and I prefer the color.
As to whether I would purchase a details coin for my collection, of course, I have and have had many. Especially if the coin is quite attractive despite the issue and even more so if a true rarity. I think a large portion of the collecting community have moved toward labels, holders and stamps moreso, than the look of the coin's themselves. As collectors, that is our right, to collect what we want, but when asked this question, be honest about the coin itself.
Jim
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I will gladly accept a cleaned Gobrecht dollar if anyone wishes to be generous!
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
There's a silver Libertas medal on GC in a details holder which as a gift I could live with too!