I meant to continue before I publish this I looked through Wexler’s and could not find any DDR references but this is in my opinion not hub doubling or mechanical doubling but an error doubling it follows the pattern of counter clockwise I believe but then again I’m new at this if anybody can help please let me know thank you
So I’m a newbie but I am an educated person scientist and from nyc. I’ve read everything I could about the 1943 s copper and steel
Has anyone ever seen a fake and if so how good are they? Weight 3.1 grams diagnostic seems fine but then there’s exactly the die degradation or doubling I seen on the 12 s I listed/posted
Plz at your convenience
@Numinewbie said:
Has anyone ever seen a fake and if so how good are they? Weight 3.1 grams...
I'd say that most experienced collectors have seen countless fake 1943 P/D/S Bronze cents, some great fakes that require lab tests or high magnification to discover, but mostly cheap cast or struck fakes that you can buy by the dozen on certain shopping websites. They are often just normal steel 1943 cents coated in copper, too, either made to deceive or made as a novelty. If your coin sticks to a magnet, it's fake.
You say that your coin is 3.1 grams. That's the weight of a bronze cent, as opposed to a regular steel 1943 of 2.7 grams, but your coin's details look mushy and the luster is a bit 'off.' It is probably a struck counterfeit most likely made in China.
It would help to post clear photos of the obverse and reverse so that other members who are more experienced than I am could help.
@Numinewbie said:
So I’m a newbie but I am an educated person scientist and from nyc. I’ve read everything I could about the 1943 s copper and steel
Has anyone ever seen a fake and if so how good are they? Weight 3.1 grams diagnostic seems fine but then there’s exactly the die degradation or doubling I seen on the 12 s I listed/posted
Plz at your convenience
I posted a link on the other thread. You can buy a many fakes as you want out of China. We'd need better pictures, but the weak letters leads me to believe it is likely fake.
@Numinewbie said:
So I’m a newbie but I am an educated person scientist and from nyc. I’ve read everything I could about the 1943 s copper and steel
Has anyone ever seen a fake and if so how good are they? Weight 3.1 grams diagnostic seems fine but then there’s exactly the die degradation or doubling I seen on the 12 s I listed/posted
Plz at your convenience
1943 PDS die struck copper counterfeits from China are readily available on aliexpress for less than two bucks (not sure if they got hit by inflation recently)
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I meant to continue before I publish this I looked through Wexler’s and could not find any DDR references but this is in my opinion not hub doubling or mechanical doubling but an error doubling it follows the pattern of counter clockwise I believe but then again I’m new at this if anybody can help please let me know thank you
Strike doubling aka mechanical doubling aka machine doubling. And by the way, it’s a 1912-S
Read about the characteristics of mechanical/strike doubling vs true doubling here
https://www.doubleddie.com/144801.html
https://www.doubleddie.com/58222.html
It sure looks like mechanical doubling (aka strike doubling) and absolutely looks like a 1912-S, not a 1914-S. Sorry...
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Not a DDR and not an error and not a 1914D. Three strikes you're out.
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@Numinewbie... Welcome aboard. Your coin has machine doubling.... Not a DDR. Cheers, RickO
Hey everyone thank you so much! So I just watched videos on this I concur thank you and have seen a few examples but I need everyone’s input
You’ll see
I’ve questions about 1943 s copper
Ty
So I’m a newbie but I am an educated person scientist and from nyc. I’ve read everything I could about the 1943 s copper and steel
Has anyone ever seen a fake and if so how good are they? Weight 3.1 grams diagnostic seems fine but then there’s exactly the die degradation or doubling I seen on the 12 s I listed/posted
Plz at your convenience
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
I have a 43 s to compare I just blanked and compared this not that anyone needs it
I'd say that most experienced collectors have seen countless fake 1943 P/D/S Bronze cents, some great fakes that require lab tests or high magnification to discover, but mostly cheap cast or struck fakes that you can buy by the dozen on certain shopping websites. They are often just normal steel 1943 cents coated in copper, too, either made to deceive or made as a novelty. If your coin sticks to a magnet, it's fake.
You say that your coin is 3.1 grams. That's the weight of a bronze cent, as opposed to a regular steel 1943 of 2.7 grams, but your coin's details look mushy and the luster is a bit 'off.' It is probably a struck counterfeit most likely made in China.
It would help to post clear photos of the obverse and reverse so that other members who are more experienced than I am could help.
Here are some useful links.
Steel 1943-S cent:
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/detail/2717
Bronze 1943-S cent:
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/detail/82715
By the way, if you're a troll*, you'll get a hard time from, well, certain members that don't like to waste time. Good luck!
(*There have been quite a few trolls recently. Just giving a warning, but not saying you're definitely a troll.)
Young Numismatist
Doubled dies are not errors, they are varieties.
And this isn’t a doubled die.
I posted a link on the other thread. You can buy a many fakes as you want out of China. We'd need better pictures, but the weak letters leads me to believe it is likely fake.
1943 PDS die struck copper counterfeits from China are readily available on aliexpress for less than two bucks (not sure if they got hit by inflation recently)