2000-P SAC Dollar Coin......Attention: Toning Enthusiasts
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I'm not a big toning guy but this one really jumped out at me. I haven't touched her, I swear! I pulled her from a roll in a box.
I've search thousands of these small dollars over the past year and have never seen one like this. It's only on the obv.
Is this toning called a cartwheel? Will an acetone bath kill or destroy this toning?
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Very nice coin. Bullseye toning. I wouldn’t use acetone on the coin because the risk possibility of darkening some of the colors. Let me know if you’d ever like to sell it.
I agree, dont touch it. Put it in a 2x2.
Which metal components of the alloy or oxides/sulfides in the toning react with acetone?
Oh right. bullseye toning. That's the word I was looking for, thanks!
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The copper component of the mixture has caused some coins to spot/darken for me after an acetone dip decades ago. Didn’t happen every time, but it did a few. I don’t trust cleaning sacs with any substance because of their unusual makeup.
Vert Nice! No, No, I've seen acetone wipe out certain types of toning - send it to slab as is or put it in a Black ring AirTite.
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I'm not going to touch it. Thanks gents!
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But the outer layers of clad coins and nickels are 75% copper and they don't react with acetone
This is the only scientific paper that even suggests a reaction between copper and acetone and then only under the following conditions
The reaction does not directly react with copper. Copper is only a photo catalyst. The reaction does form acetic acid crystals after 18 hours of exposure, which then can react with the metal at a later time (no reason the soak your coins for that long)
I believe the occasional anecdotal stories of copper darkening in acetone are accurate, but are likely due to using dirty acetone that contains a lot of dissolved contaminants and then not rinsing well. All that residue is no coating the coin. Using dirty acetone is like washing your car with dirty water. Not a good idea
So, if you don't let the acetone evaporate (short rinse/soak), use clean acetone, change it frequently, and rinse well, you should have no problems with acetone. Hope this helps
https://vdocuments.site/photochemical-breakdown-of-acetone-on-copper.html
@Oldhoopster ... Is 100% correct. Acetone will not react with metal, but will carry contaminants and can leave residues. Clean, pure acetone, dumped after use, and followed by a clean acetone rinse will eliminate organics. If tarnish is the result of surface organics, it will change when the organics are removed. Cheers, RickO
Why do I read "somewhere" that people recommend goof off as the best solution for dipping?
nice Sac @OAKSTAR
The place I read it had members saying their coin wasn't gonna make MS along with comments like it don't fix damage.
I could've swore I read it here when I did a Google search, "is goof off safe on copper coins?" maybe a back door opened cause I can't find it anymore,,aka it might be in the locked forums.
I know kinda off topic
Thanks for sharing
Goof Off is primarily acetone and xylene, which do not react with the coin or toning involving the surface metal of a coin. The remaining 5-6% are benzenes. I don't know if benzene will react with coin metals, so until the chemists chime in, my opinion is to avoid using it.
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I say don't mess with it.
For its metallurgical content, that's a one-in-a-million effect. Beautiful.
It was probably either in a cheap cardboard folder for a decade or was a roll end coin.
As it sits, that coin has some value (no idea how much).
If you touch it like then it's only worth $1.
No idea why some people are talking about cleaning it.
I've read dipping and cleaning are different is this not correct?
I mean from the previous post on NGC same topic, I'm almost thinking same would apply here.
Oh I wouldn't dip it either I'm just saying what I've read.
Also what @Conder101 said about goof off
Thanks
Nice toning. Too bad about the hit on her cheek. A keeper thou.
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The coin doesn't appear to have any crud or grime on it. I was basically asking about the acetone, to remove any invisible grease or finger oils. I'll just leave it as is.
I think we all agree the coin looks good and may hold a little extra value. It may not be financially wise but I think the coin would look pretty cool slabbed.
A couple of questions: Do you think the TPG'ers would straight grade it without being damaged, detailed or tampered with? Also, do you believe this Bullseye toning would improve over time if I got it slabbed?
I don't like that hit on her cheek either @gumby1234
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It looks like it would straight grade. Probably wouldn't be worth the cost. It would probably slow down the toning process if slabbed.
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Sorry I didn't reply. I'll be holding on to it for awhile but thanks for asking. It's nice to know others would be interested. Thanks!
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Do you think the TPG'ers would consider this bullseye toning an asset and award additional points towards eye appeal?
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maybe a plus for the grade. Not worth the cost of slabbing thou.
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this is just an excuse for me to post this link.
https://www.pcgs.com/eyeappeal/
Yes, I would have to agree with that. I'm just picturing the coin in a slab. Like I mentioned, I've searched many of these dollars and have never seen one with toning like this. Without this toning, I would have thrown her back.
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So just when I said I never see toning on these dollars, this one jumps out! Again, I swear I didn't touch it. It's only on the obv. very little on the rev. Without seeing the coin in-hand, do you think it's natural?
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The first one is gorgeous! I second @1madmans response about if you ever sell it
The second one appears to be artificial toning in that something was spilled on it, doesn't make sense that someone would tone it on purpose in that way, also the green tint is something I have come to associate with AT coins, just my experience and opinion
It is neat though!
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Gotta stop carrying them in your cars cupholder and spilling sugary sodas and coffee on them -
I agree, doesn't look naturaul but who knows for sure besides a reputable TPG.
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With the high gas and food prices now, people are searching their cars, couches, anywhere they can find spare change and rolling them for cash - who knows how many AT's are going to be showing up in circulation soon??
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Based on that read I would say the coin is somewhere between positive and amazing but definitely positive.
I would have it slabbed, someone’s gonna pay up for it.
Thanks for the feedback gents. I'm leaning towards getting it slabbed as well (the Bullseye toning). I'll post the results here when it comes back. I'm hoping it straight grades. 🤞
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If you do get it slabbed go for the trueview, I think it would be worth it
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Yes, I didn't even think of that. Thank you for the reminder! 👍🏻 👍🏻
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Don’t touch it with your bare hands! Don’t clean it in anyway!!!!