It's on PCGS imaginary hmmm
PS link whatever fake you find & I'll prove it's a copy of mine, if it's in the same design.
Weathering on a partial zinc coin hmmm this should be good topic.
@SlickCoins said:
note on all examples provided are obvious copies of mine and I can prove it.
I can prove both sides of every coin which matches you've posted are copies of mine.
@SlickCoins said:
PS link whatever fake you find & I'll prove it's a copy of mine, if it's in the same design.
Weathering on a partial zinc coin hmmm this should be good topic.
Guys why can't you respect this dude? He obviously has the original genuine partially zinc 1793 wreath cent source coin that every single fake was ever copied from, it's soooo obvious
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It’s time for you to prove your coin is the real deal. If it is what you say it is, it’s an extremely valuable coin, and a major discovery. You’ll be famous.
Send it to PCGS. Of course, we all know you won’t because you don’t really think it’s real. This coin is your “Everybody look at me” device. You know, you could just participate in this forum in a normal manner and maybe make friends.
I've been told it's going to cost a bunch and I don't have that kind of money laying around. IDK if that's true or not but it stuck.
I'm just shocked toning became weathering if there is such a thing,,, again I'm not against anyone, I'm just showing everything on the coin and if theirs books that might back me I say so.
PS I've got a bunch of pics of these fake coins,,, none compare anywhere close to mine is all I'm saying also.
Thanks all
PS I don't want to be famous I'd rather you all be famous for me
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@SlickCoins said:
Lol toning is now weathered,,, note on all examples provided are obvious copies of mine and I can prove it.
I can prove both sides of every coin which matches you've posted are copies of mine.
Nice try,,, oh let's see some edges don't be shy,,, along with your 9.70 grams or 10 grams copies you've provided.
Nothing about the crumbled edge,,, or the link to the SP,,,, instead toning is now weathered.
Thanks
Yes, weathering, aging, distressing, call it whatever you want, it is a way to make a fake coin look older than it is. Did I say it was toning? -No. The weathered example I show clearly has the same die defect that yours has on the leaf that you seem so fixated on. Toning or color has nothing to do with that fact.
Besides, toning can absolutely be faked. Have you not seen all the talk about artificial toning? Of course not because you only care about your conversations here and any that you do enter you feel necessary to bring your unrealistic ramblings into.
You understand that everything you are pointing out on your coin, everything, are reasons that it is a fake, right? I mean you can't actually be serious.
I do not own the coins I posted, I can't show you the edges. You understand that too, right? They are clearly from the same source. I don't buy counterfeit coins since that supports their efforts, if you want to compare edges so badly then you buy one.
You keep asking US to prove things, why don't you prove something? All you've done is conjure and say "I'm not saying XYZ" while DEFINITELY saying XYZ.
So before it was 'Show another one that is like this one', now any that are like that one are copies of it? Wow.
Here I'll do the overlay for you. If anything yours is a second generation copy of the "weathered" one I posted. The "weathered" example has more detail than yours does. I didn't get the alignment perfect but fairly close.
** I've been told it's going to cost a bunch and I don't have that kind of money laying around. IDK if that's true or not but it stuck.**
If you don’t want to front the $100 or so (could be less, but you probably don’t want to submit it under an economy submission), send it to Heritage or Great Collections. They’ll submit it for you, then deduct the cost from the proceeds.
That jumping picture makes it super obvious mine rocks,,,,
William did you not call Roger when I asked you for an overlay?
Hmmm Roger sure made it sound so
That's another reason it's hard to send it in
I'm wondering if all this is shifting and now it's time to attack me and not the coin again,,, hmmm JMO,,, I mean that's been your all go-to
Thanks William all good
PS some might ask why would he call Roger,,, good question & it's cause his 1792 hub video and right in the beginning William says this all isn't in your books,,,,, direct dig at Rogers book,,,I mean in a way.
I'm sure you all can fill in the rest,,, JMO
@SlickCoins said:
I've been told it's going to cost a bunch and I don't have that kind of money laying around. IDK if that's true or not but it stuck.
Right. So this way you can keep talking about this coin forever.
When we’re stuck in a delusion our minds find a way to keep anything from happening that would threaten the delusion.
Of course you won’t send it to PCGS. You know exactly what they’ll say.
Of course no matter how many experts clearly point out why this coin is fake they must all be wrong. They must not be looking close enough.
Of course any coin identical to yours MUST be a copy of yours.
You once said you don’t need anyone here to authenticate this coin for you. You just want to know what people think about the coin. Well, everyone has told you what they think. That’s it then, right? We’re finished. Right?
@burfle23 said:
I apologize to everyone here putting up with the senseless banter of one individual; if you can see past that there is some good info and images of this lower level of counterfeit here!
I have had a large group of early large cents including both genuine and struck fakes tested (at a fair personal expense) at a met lab for XRF @ 2 levels, specific gravity, etc. I actually found links in the deceptive struck counterfeit large cents as well in one variety of half cent and published results in EAC's Penny-Wise. One of the intermediate fakes, a counterfeit 1804, and all of the deceptive 1806 half cents had measurable amounts of zinc in the scans. We attributed this to some modern Lincoln cents being thrown into the melting pot for those planchets.
I also apologize for "feeding the troll"; he is obviously so far gone as to not even be self aware. I find this post more enjoyable with him on ignore ...
Some good has certainly come out of it, seeing good photos, weight and composition of some of these fakes can only help in avoiding them, even seeing and getting info on SlickCons "coin" has helped.
@ChrisH821 said:
Here I'll do the overlay for you. If anything yours is a second generation copy of the "weathered" one I posted. The "weathered" example has more detail than yours does. I didn't get the alignment perfect but fairly close.
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that is some good strat there Chris. on the surface it looks like you were simply trying to compare the counterfeits to show they are the same and maybe some other points BUT i have seen through your ruse and a good one it is. i NOW know you were performing a hypnotic technique employed by some cuttlefish to disorient and trap certain prey. well done sir!
Let's just say we agree to disagree
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At least I can say I never resorted to make calling.
Thanks all
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My presentation was better,,, had more like examples and where I broke down they was all copies and mine was epic,,, including weights of said examples.
I have to admit you all are pretty good at denying almost everything on your website,,,I say almost umm cause it's on your website, other than that you use it as salt. JMO
Did you open this link? I think it only works in Chrome but it is the manufacturer of these selling them. If not I don't blame you, CF seller sites are usually pretty sketchy.
That's the one I contacted,,, they don't have that and said they have this @ 10 grams and I read off all the specs to them lol oh it was epic also they said they don't have it.
I said if you all are selling Master Coins I'll buy ASAP,,,, to which he responded they don't have them,,, lol
PS the one in the pics is super easy to see it's a copy, JMO
@burfle23 said:
Just trying to sum this up and then leave my own post...
I and others have shown examples of this lower level, bottom feeding type of counterfeit that rarely even fools novice collectors.
I have shown Slick's example to not match any genuine variety, which I believe in one of his bizarre responses he agreed.
The edge of genuine Wreath cents are vine and bars except the last two sub varieties, S-11b and c which are lettered; they are not plain like the Slick example.
The Slick example has a rather large amount of zinc in it per the owner, which wasn't used in early copper planchets but certainly is in late Lincoln cents.
The owner of the Slick example believes his is the mother ship, but the mother of what, all the other fakes? I'll allow his one delusion as not being worth any further discussion.
Best, Jack.
Here’s my summary - you’ve devoted much of this thread to presenting information to someone who’s messing with you and anyone else who will engage in conversation with him.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
You mean,, you won't give up close edge shots of your fakes,,,, and since mine obviously smokes all yours and I've probably guessed your weight,, you won't share that either.
I'm not impressed,,, like I said I'd be super disappointed if I bought this article.
@burfle23 said:
Just trying to sum this up and then leave my own post...
I and others have shown examples of this lower level, bottom feeding type of counterfeit that rarely even fools novice collectors.
I have shown Slick's example to not match any genuine variety, which I believe in one of his bizarre responses he agreed.
The edge of genuine Wreath cents are vine and bars except the last two sub varieties, S-11b and c which are lettered; they are not plain like the Slick example.
The Slick example has a rather large amount of zinc in it per the owner, which wasn't used in early copper planchets but certainly is in late Lincoln cents.
The owner of the Slick example believes his is the mother ship, but the mother of what, all the other fakes? I'll allow his one delusion as not being worth any further discussion.
Best, Jack.
Excellent points here. Analysis of the composition of these fakes could be a window into there origin. The high zinc content for one as you have discussed, and the silicon in Slick’s example could quite likely point to recycled electronics.
I did see your break down Jack you da man.
Only one thing,,, you're right the reverses you posted are close.
PS the one graded coin has an altered surface.
Not this one ↓↓↓ but the other one.
Geeze,,yes I mentioned that I liked your edge pictures of the vines and bars for how up close they are,,,, the fake coins you said are like mine has no clarity at all on the edge & no where close to being zoomed in,,,like you're hiding something JMO
You're right Jack,,, that's why we was gonna need an expert overlay,,, I mean on the face and chin, etc. I mean I thought it would've been helpful,,, but we need it from someone who is da man also
I'm sure I could've found someone to do an overlay but then that would've been fake also,,, hints the expert overlay.
I could be wrong about everything
Also I'm good on this whole thing I just seen your work good job
PS I'm shocked nobody asked what the rest of the edge looks like,, of course I'm focusing you all on the imperfections aka crumbling areas and well that happens to be like the only area ejection marks are.
I kinda figured someone would catch this aspect.
If I was to give a % well we are seeing maybe 40% if that of the edge.
If you want an overlay download Paint.Net(free software) and make one. It's really quite simple. https://www.dotpdn.com/downloads/pdn.html
Make the first layer the original image, make the second layer the one you want to compare. Adjust transparency(layer properties) on layer two and line them up. Stretching/skewing can be an issue buy you'll figure it out.
Don't forget the graded legit mark in the leaf sprig hmm right where oh well,,,I thought you should try to disprove that while you're at it
Also a few extras
Good job
PS Jack in no way was I trying to disrespect you,,, by not agreeing.
You're awesome I've seen most your posts,,, don't ever let someone disagreeing with you change you in any way shape or form for that's what makes us unique. JMO,,, and sorry if I did disrespect anyone
@SlickCoins said:
Don't forget the graded legit mark in the leaf sprig hmm right where oh well,,,I thought you should try to disprove that while you're at it
,,, and sorry if I did disrespect anyone
You are disrespecting each and every member of this forum by continuing this charade.
I don't understand how having a opinion is disrespectful, I actually thought I had good info,,,I mean sometimes I'd get stuff wrong but you all are always there so I kinda thought no harm no foul,,, also I'm abundantly clear that everything is just my opinion.
@SlickCoins
I see you’re confused about people’s reactions to your posts. I’ll offer up a couple ideas that may help you understand. I’m genuinely interested in helping you (and everyone else) have a more pleasant time here.
You’re correct that anyone can have an opinion on anything. But, if your opinion is not justified by logical, correct, and well reasoned information then it isn’t an informed opinion. It’s just made up stuff. Your opinions just aren’t at the same level as many of the experts you are arguing with.
It takes A LOT of time, energy, and dedication to obtain the knowledge that is required to justify your opinions regarding early large cents. You are pulling information that is correct from reliable sources, but then incorrectly applying them to your coin. You are using well defined numismatic terms incorrectly. You are also using made up numismatic terms. It’s offensive to the people here that have put in the time and hard work to fully synthesize this numismatic information.
You seem to be deliberately refusing to learn. This is very frustrating to people trying to help you. It’s also the reason many people here have blocked you.
Do you know why I don’t have an opinion on your coin? I don’t know nearly enough about the intricacies of large cent design and production. I have knowledge in other areas, but in this area I am comfortable leaving it up to the experts.
Seriously man. Don’t ever bring up this coin again. There is absolutely nothing more to say about it. Instead read a lot of posts here. By some books and learn. It’s a fascinating hobby if you’re interested in learning.
@JoeLewis said: @SlickCoins
I see you’re confused about people’s reactions to your posts. I’ll offer up a couple ideas that may help you understand. I’m genuinely interested in helping you (and everyone else) have a more pleasant time here.
You’re correct that anyone can have an opinion on anything. But, if your opinion is not justified by logical, correct, and well reasoned information then it isn’t an informed opinion. It’s just made up stuff. Your opinions just aren’t at the same level as many of the experts you are arguing with.
It takes A LOT of time, energy, and dedication to obtain the knowledge that is required to justify your opinions regarding early large cents. You are pulling information that is correct from reliable sources, but then incorrectly applying them to your coin. You are using well defined numismatic terms incorrectly. You are also using made up numismatic terms. It’s offensive to the people here that have put in the time and hard work to fully synthesize this numismatic information.
You seem to be deliberately refusing to learn. This is very frustrating to people trying to help you. It’s also the reason many people here have blocked you.
Do you know why I don’t have an opinion on your coin? I don’t know nearly enough about the intricacies of large cent design and production. I have knowledge in other areas, but in this area I am comfortable leaving it up to the experts.
Seriously man. Don’t ever bring up this coin again. There is absolutely nothing more to say about it. Instead read a lot of posts here. By some books and learn. It’s a fascinating hobby if you’re interested in learning.
Since it sounds like you think he might be sincere, this was posted in another thread, by someone who’s familiar with him: “But it looks like Slick made it through. 👎 I guess in another 3-4 weeks, the board will get spammed with another series of posts on how nobody can prove his 1793 cent is fake. He did this on the NGC forum for almost a year before getting banned. Oh well, hopefully he was warned and there will be a short respite from his trolling nonsense.”
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Mint Rod Impact Lighting,,, yes I made it up/invented it,,,,, Master Engraver marks on recycled dies I did not make this part up which was given to me by a local coin shop.
The marks whatever we call them,,I technically didn't make them up since obviously something is on the coin and I didn't do them.
Pictures and comparing marks hmmm yeah can't really make up anything there, the story of the SP nope sorry didn't make that up either it's on PCGS along with all the other stuff which I guess technically we could say Breen made it up,,,, but to me it sounds like somehow he was given insider information JMO
I think i posted why I got banned but then most likely deleted it.
Yeah I highly doubt you all will ever see me or my coins ever esp in person or on your website where you deny almost all info you have posted so you could be number 1 in the Google searches hmmm,, just being honest.
All good,,, @MFeld and @JoeLewis if you can please tell me where I've made up stuff which I haven't admitted to I'm all ears.
It's funny you all actually use blocks on anyone,,, oh that's right they have an opinion.
Master Engraver marks are supposedly made up by
"A Coin Shop is a family-owned coin dealer in Littleton, CO, specializing in buying and selling rare coins, currency, art silver, and gold and silver bullion. The friendly staff at A Coin Shop are national dealers with over 80 years of combined experience in numismatics, and with that experience, you can rest assured that we are here to listen to your needs and make sure that you receive top dollar for your current collection or inheritance. Whether you are a long-term collector or someone who has inherited holdings, we can help! Stop in today to buy or sell!"
So you might wanna correct them lol spreading disinformation.
Sure why not do like you did me,,, show them who is da boss,,,, esp if they heard it from another, then you can chase them down & show them who da boss is.
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It's on PCGS imaginary hmmm
PS link whatever fake you find & I'll prove it's a copy of mine, if it's in the same design.
Weathering on a partial zinc coin hmmm this should be good topic.
Guys why can't you respect this dude? He obviously has the original genuine partially zinc 1793 wreath cent source coin that every single fake was ever copied from, it's soooo obvious
."It's a dangerous business... going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to" -JRR Tolkien_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Outstanding BST transactions as a seller, buyer and trader with: ----- mustanggt, Kliao, claudewill87, MWallace, paesan, mpbuck82, moursund, basetsb, lordmarcovan, JWP, Coin hunter 4, COINS MAKE CENTS, PerryHall, Aspie_Rocco, Braddick, DBSTrader2, SanctionII, Histman, The_Dinosaur_Man, jesbroken, CentSearcher ------ANA Member #3214817
If you can prove it then why don’t you?
@SlickCoins
It’s time for you to prove your coin is the real deal. If it is what you say it is, it’s an extremely valuable coin, and a major discovery. You’ll be famous.
Send it to PCGS. Of course, we all know you won’t because you don’t really think it’s real. This coin is your “Everybody look at me” device. You know, you could just participate in this forum in a normal manner and maybe make friends.
US and British coin collector, and creator of The Ultimate Chuck E. Cheese's and Showbiz Pizza Place Token & Ticket Guide
Please tell us exactly why you won’t send this to PCGS.
US and British coin collector, and creator of The Ultimate Chuck E. Cheese's and Showbiz Pizza Place Token & Ticket Guide
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very interesting! thanks for sharing some of these.
I've been told it's going to cost a bunch and I don't have that kind of money laying around. IDK if that's true or not but it stuck.
I'm just shocked toning became weathering if there is such a thing,,, again I'm not against anyone, I'm just showing everything on the coin and if theirs books that might back me I say so.
PS I've got a bunch of pics of these fake coins,,, none compare anywhere close to mine is all I'm saying also.
Thanks all
PS I don't want to be famous I'd rather you all be famous for me
Do I think this is the extreme Master coin and all like this are copies of mine,,,,, yes I do.
I'm done...
Enjoy your "coin" for me Slick
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Yes, weathering, aging, distressing, call it whatever you want, it is a way to make a fake coin look older than it is. Did I say it was toning? -No. The weathered example I show clearly has the same die defect that yours has on the leaf that you seem so fixated on. Toning or color has nothing to do with that fact.
Besides, toning can absolutely be faked. Have you not seen all the talk about artificial toning? Of course not because you only care about your conversations here and any that you do enter you feel necessary to bring your unrealistic ramblings into.
You understand that everything you are pointing out on your coin, everything, are reasons that it is a fake, right? I mean you can't actually be serious.
I do not own the coins I posted, I can't show you the edges. You understand that too, right? They are clearly from the same source. I don't buy counterfeit coins since that supports their efforts, if you want to compare edges so badly then you buy one.
You keep asking US to prove things, why don't you prove something? All you've done is conjure and say "I'm not saying XYZ" while DEFINITELY saying XYZ.
So before it was 'Show another one that is like this one', now any that are like that one are copies of it? Wow.
Here I'll do the overlay for you. If anything yours is a second generation copy of the "weathered" one I posted. The "weathered" example has more detail than yours does. I didn't get the alignment perfect but fairly close.
Collector, occasional seller
I got a headache from reading all this banter.
It's like Custer believing that Little Big Horn is gonna be a victory, and trying to the end to prove it.
I quit.
Pete
** I've been told it's going to cost a bunch and I don't have that kind of money laying around. IDK if that's true or not but it stuck.**
If you don’t want to front the $100 or so (could be less, but you probably don’t want to submit it under an economy submission), send it to Heritage or Great Collections. They’ll submit it for you, then deduct the cost from the proceeds.
That jumping picture makes it super obvious mine rocks,,,,
William did you not call Roger when I asked you for an overlay?
Hmmm Roger sure made it sound so
That's another reason it's hard to send it in
I'm wondering if all this is shifting and now it's time to attack me and not the coin again,,, hmmm JMO,,, I mean that's been your all go-to
Thanks William all good
PS some might ask why would he call Roger,,, good question & it's cause his 1792 hub video and right in the beginning William says this all isn't in your books,,,,, direct dig at Rogers book,,,I mean in a way.
I'm sure you all can fill in the rest,,, JMO
Also I want you all to remember what it looked like in the beginning.
Is all thanks again
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You rock, @burfle23 !
Please keep posting your informational threads, and don’t be deterred. Your efforts are much appreciated!
@burfle23 I, for one, appreciate your focus. Thanks, I've learned something important. Peace Roy
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Right. So this way you can keep talking about this coin forever.
When we’re stuck in a delusion our minds find a way to keep anything from happening that would threaten the delusion.
Of course you won’t send it to PCGS. You know exactly what they’ll say.
Of course no matter how many experts clearly point out why this coin is fake they must all be wrong. They must not be looking close enough.
Of course any coin identical to yours MUST be a copy of yours.
You once said you don’t need anyone here to authenticate this coin for you. You just want to know what people think about the coin. Well, everyone has told you what they think. That’s it then, right? We’re finished. Right?
US and British coin collector, and creator of The Ultimate Chuck E. Cheese's and Showbiz Pizza Place Token & Ticket Guide
Some good has certainly come out of it, seeing good photos, weight and composition of some of these fakes can only help in avoiding them, even seeing and getting info on SlickCons "coin" has helped.
blocked-moving on
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that is some good strat there Chris. on the surface it looks like you were simply trying to compare the counterfeits to show they are the same and maybe some other points BUT i have seen through your ruse and a good one it is. i NOW know you were performing a hypnotic technique employed by some cuttlefish to disorient and trap certain prey. well done sir!
Let's all move on,,,,
Let's just say we agree to disagree
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At least I can say I never resorted to make calling.
Thanks all
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My presentation was better,,, had more like examples and where I broke down they was all copies and mine was epic,,, including weights of said examples.
This guy is just trolling us right?
Slick doesn’t actually believe there would be ejection marks on a coin from the 1790’s, does he??
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Did Breen really write that in his book hmmm do your own research make your own conclusions
I have to admit you all are pretty good at denying almost everything on your website,,,I say almost umm cause it's on your website, other than that you use it as salt. JMO
@SlickCoins
Did you open this link? I think it only works in Chrome but it is the manufacturer of these selling them. If not I don't blame you, CF seller sites are usually pretty sketchy.
https://www.dashumiaocoin.com/1793-WREATH-LEAF-CENT-Copy-Coin-commemorative-coins-p16913.html
Here's a screen cap and larger image for those who don't want to click it.
Not sure what more could be needed. I guess it doesn't really matter but that's a pretty big thing to just ignore, especially after previously saying that you couldn't find these available anywhere.
Collector, occasional seller
That's the one I contacted,,, they don't have that and said they have this @ 10 grams and I read off all the specs to them lol oh it was epic
also they said they don't have it.
I said if you all are selling Master Coins I'll buy ASAP,,,, to which he responded they don't have them,,, lol
PS the one in the pics is super easy to see it's a copy, JMO
When I said I can't find mine,,I truly mean mine,,, yes I'd even contact the seller and get the specs.
Thanks
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Here’s my summary - you’ve devoted much of this thread to presenting information to someone who’s messing with you and anyone else who will engage in conversation with him.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
You mean,, you won't give up close edge shots of your fakes,,,, and since mine obviously smokes all yours and I've probably guessed your weight,, you won't share that either.
I'm not impressed,,, like I said I'd be super disappointed if I bought this article.
Excellent points here. Analysis of the composition of these fakes could be a window into there origin. The high zinc content for one as you have discussed, and the silicon in Slick’s example could quite likely point to recycled electronics.
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I did see your break down Jack
you da man.
Only one thing,,, you're right the reverses you posted are close.
PS the one graded coin has an altered surface.
Not this one ↓↓↓ but the other one.
Geeze,,yes I mentioned that I liked your edge pictures of the vines and bars for how up close they are,,,, the fake coins you said are like mine has no clarity at all on the edge & no where close to being zoomed in,,,like you're hiding something JMO
You're right Jack,,, that's why we was gonna need an expert overlay,,, I mean on the face and chin, etc. I mean I thought it would've been helpful,,, but we need it from someone who is da man also
I'm sure I could've found someone to do an overlay but then that would've been fake also,,, hints the expert overlay.
good job
I could be wrong about everything
Also I'm good on this whole thing I just seen your work
PS I'm shocked nobody asked what the rest of the edge looks like,, of course I'm focusing you all on the imperfections aka crumbling areas and well that happens to be like the only area ejection marks are.
I kinda figured someone would catch this aspect.
If I was to give a % well we are seeing maybe 40% if that of the edge.
If you want an overlay download Paint.Net(free software) and make one. It's really quite simple.
https://www.dotpdn.com/downloads/pdn.html
Make the first layer the original image, make the second layer the one you want to compare. Adjust transparency(layer properties) on layer two and line them up. Stretching/skewing can be an issue buy you'll figure it out.
Collector, occasional seller
Awesome info thanks Chris, for sure thanks everyone.
Don't forget the graded legit mark in the leaf sprig hmm right where oh well,,,I thought you should try to disprove that while you're at it
Also a few extras
Good job
PS Jack in no way was I trying to disrespect you,,, by not agreeing.
You're awesome I've seen most your posts,,, don't ever let someone disagreeing with you change you in any way shape or form for that's what makes us unique. JMO,,, and sorry if I did disrespect anyone
,,, and sorry if I did disrespect anyone
You are disrespecting each and every member of this forum by continuing this charade.
I don't understand how having a opinion is disrespectful, I actually thought I had good info,,,I mean sometimes I'd get stuff wrong but you all are always there so I kinda thought no harm no foul,,, also I'm abundantly clear that everything is just my opinion.
Yeah sorry all
The good info I was pulling right off PCGS I thought for sure this is golden.
Sorry all carry on
@SlickCoins
I see you’re confused about people’s reactions to your posts. I’ll offer up a couple ideas that may help you understand. I’m genuinely interested in helping you (and everyone else) have a more pleasant time here.
You’re correct that anyone can have an opinion on anything. But, if your opinion is not justified by logical, correct, and well reasoned information then it isn’t an informed opinion. It’s just made up stuff. Your opinions just aren’t at the same level as many of the experts you are arguing with.
It takes A LOT of time, energy, and dedication to obtain the knowledge that is required to justify your opinions regarding early large cents. You are pulling information that is correct from reliable sources, but then incorrectly applying them to your coin. You are using well defined numismatic terms incorrectly. You are also using made up numismatic terms. It’s offensive to the people here that have put in the time and hard work to fully synthesize this numismatic information.
You seem to be deliberately refusing to learn. This is very frustrating to people trying to help you. It’s also the reason many people here have blocked you.
Do you know why I don’t have an opinion on your coin? I don’t know nearly enough about the intricacies of large cent design and production. I have knowledge in other areas, but in this area I am comfortable leaving it up to the experts.
Seriously man. Don’t ever bring up this coin again. There is absolutely nothing more to say about it. Instead read a lot of posts here. By some books and learn. It’s a fascinating hobby if you’re interested in learning.
US and British coin collector, and creator of The Ultimate Chuck E. Cheese's and Showbiz Pizza Place Token & Ticket Guide
Since it sounds like you think he might be sincere, this was posted in another thread, by someone who’s familiar with him: “But it looks like Slick made it through. 👎 I guess in another 3-4 weeks, the board will get spammed with another series of posts on how nobody can prove his 1793 cent is fake. He did this on the NGC forum for almost a year before getting banned. Oh well, hopefully he was warned and there will be a short respite from his trolling nonsense.”
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Mint Rod Impact Lighting,,, yes I made it up/invented it,,,,, Master Engraver marks on recycled dies I did not make this part up which was given to me by a local coin shop.
The marks whatever we call them,,I technically didn't make them up since obviously something is on the coin and I didn't do them.
Pictures and comparing marks hmmm yeah can't really make up anything there, the story of the SP nope sorry didn't make that up either it's on PCGS along with all the other stuff which I guess technically we could say Breen made it up,,,, but to me it sounds like somehow he was given insider information JMO
I think i posted why I got banned but then most likely deleted it.
Anyways water under the bridge.
Thanks all
@SlickCoins
Perfect reply. I won’t see any of your posts again. I tried to help.
US and British coin collector, and creator of The Ultimate Chuck E. Cheese's and Showbiz Pizza Place Token & Ticket Guide
Yeah I highly doubt you all will ever see me or my coins ever esp in person or on your website where you deny almost all info you have posted so you could be number 1 in the Google searches hmmm,, just being honest.
All good,,, @MFeld and @JoeLewis if you can please tell me where I've made up stuff which I haven't admitted to I'm all ears.
It's funny you all actually use blocks on anyone,,, oh that's right they have an opinion.
Master Engraver marks are supposedly made up by
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So you might wanna correct them lol spreading disinformation.
Sure why not do like you did me,,, show them who is da boss,,,, esp if they heard it from another, then you can chase them down & show them who da boss is.
I'm sorry everyone, but I have had enough of this nonsense...