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How does this ASE wind up in a PCGS slab??

HyperionHyperion Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭
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I mean...

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,949 ✭✭✭✭✭

    professional opinion.

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  • HyperionHyperion Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    professional opinion.

    The same company that graded this, grades traditional numismatic coins worth 10s, 100sks. Think they use the same judgement?

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,949 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 31, 2022 5:05PM

    I think they bring the same experience to both tables. Possible that it toned after being slabbed. Cert labels have been known to contaminate a coin's surface.

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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,093 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    I think they bring the same experience to both tables. Possible that it toned after being slabbed. Cert labels have been known to contaminate a coin's surface.

    That coin was slabbed long after 1992.

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  • alefzeroalefzero Posts: 978 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gold seal. So either recently slabbed or a fake holder. Cannot see the entire cert number to check it out, as gold seal means imaged.

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,798 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 31, 2022 5:34PM
    • might look different in-hand
    • might have been graded before it toned
    • might have been cooked or "gassed" in the holder
    • might be a TPG grading mistake
    • the TPG might not care all that much for a coin deriving >50% of its $50 value from bullion content
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,245 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i'm disagreeing with those that disagree

    passable nt

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ugly is not a disqualifier.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not sure of the grade, glare on the slab. However, the fingerprint may not have been visible when graded.... Better pictures would help us further evaluate the coin. Cheers, RickO

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko Its graded MS67. You can see the 67 in the serial number.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 .... Thanks, overlooked that little detail :D Cheers, RickO

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 1, 2022 12:30PM

    I think the title should read "How does this Silver Eagle receive a straight grade through PCGS?"

    Coins that are damaged can be placed in PCGS holders and not receive a straight grade. Code 91, 92, 93, etc...

    https://www.pcgs.com/grades/

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's fugly

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,238 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is it possible it changed in the slab due to a bad rinse after it was dipped?

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  • OldhoopsterOldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    Is it possible it changed in the slab due to a bad rinse after it was dipped?

    Or a post slabbing AT gassing experiment gone horribly wrong :'(

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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,255 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If we could see the S/N, we could see the TrueView.

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  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    According to the OP he found it in a mixed roll and subbed it himself.

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  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wonder if there's another latent print on the rev. Given the opposing thumb factor. Peace Roy

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,238 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 1, 2022 4:20PM

    @Oldhoopster said:

    @PerryHall said:
    Is it possible it changed in the slab due to a bad rinse after it was dipped?


    Or a post slabbing AT gassing experiment gone horribly wrong :'(

    Not likely. Most if not all gassing was performed on rattler slabs which are the least air-tight PCGS slab. All subsequent PCGS slabs were far more air-tight although none are completely so.

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,019 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unless one knows what the bullion piece looked like at grading, we shouldn't offer opinions on our forum creator's ability to grade this item. Even then we wouldn't have it in hand. Too many variables to discuss without knowledge. My opinion at this time is that the bullion piece sucks, but then that's me.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,238 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Hyperion ---Can we get the serial number of the ASE so we can see the True View?

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  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One of thousands if you have studied this series. Our host doesn't seem to differentiate between AT/NT. Should they care?

  • ShaunBC5ShaunBC5 Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’ve got one that looks similar (color-wise) and it’s just been in a box with some poly-fil type stuff for 20+yrs. Didn’t know anything about toning or what might cause it, it’s just the box it came in as a gift. If I had slabbed (won’t) I would expect a straight grade.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,624 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 1, 2022 5:42PM

    @bolivarshagnasty said:
    One of thousands if you have studied this series. Our host doesn't seem to differentiate between AT/NT. Should they care?

    They most assuredly should care and I believe that they do. If it would be acceptable for a grading company to stop caring about certain common and/or low value coins, that would become a terrible slippery slope.

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  • No HeadlightsNo Headlights Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have zero interest in ASEs personally. But isn't a MS67 a low-grade coin? It seems almost all are 69 and 70.

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 1, 2022 7:26PM

    @No Headlights said:
    I have zero interest in ASEs personally. But isn't a MS67 a low-grade coin? It seems almost all are 69 and 70.

    For a 1992 ASE? Yes.

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  • 2windy2fish2windy2fish Posts: 824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hyperion…. please provide the cert number! Not sure what is holding you back

  • conrad99conrad99 Posts: 375 ✭✭✭

    @Oldhoopster said:

    @PerryHall said:
    Is it possible it changed in the slab due to a bad rinse after it was dipped?


    Or a post slabbing AT gassing experiment gone horribly wrong :'(

    Not much reason to speculate about anything exotic when there are scads of examples like this one.

    @2windy2fish said:
    Hyperion…. please provide the cert number! Not sure what is holding you back

    Didn't he just find this on Reddit? I can find many more on eBay if you like.

    @bolivarshagnasty said:
    One of thousands if you have studied this series. Our host doesn't seem to differentiate between AT/NT.

    They most certainly do, when the mood strikes. But that differentiation is far from a science, despite the efforts (and desires) of many.

  • JWPJWP Posts: 22,829 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How much did you buy it for, and was it from Ebay?

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  • LazybonesLazybones Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, to each his own, but...

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,775 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Part of a bulk submission before sending off to auction????

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