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Has anyone seen a rattler label in a 2.0/2.1 slab type and have an explanation for it?
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I picked this up a few years ago and previously it was sold by Heritage. I was wondering if anyone had seen a rattler label inside a 2.0 or 2.1 holder. Did PCGS ever re-holder a coin in a 1.2 holder to a 2.x holder and keep the old label? Thanks for any information.
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Perhaps someone had a damaged rattler slab and they sent it in to get it re-slabbed and they just reused the old label.
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Sorry, no idea, but that is fabulous looking coin for a 30. Nice pickup!!!
That would be my guess but a first hand account of someone doing it would be cool.
Could it possibly be in the original rattler and someone carefully added the outer gasket to it? I know this can be done since folks can repair damaged doily holders by carefully putting on a donor plastic ring.
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That’s my assumption too.
This. The outer sharp gaskets are removable with a little care (and luck) and can be put on rattlers to help them fit in boxes.
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It is sadly tucked away in my safe deposit box but I will see if the outer shell looks removable next time I am there.
Do the three ticks holding the coin imply that it is a rattler holder? I'm looking at various Morgan doily holders on eBay and don't see those three ticks. (2 o'clock, 6, 10). I can't find an older dollar.
On the other hand, from the picture, it looks like the PCGS is part of the holder and also the collar plastic?
I will go get it at the bank sometime soon to have a better look.
Yes, the "ticks" are evidence this is a rattler with an outer plastic seal/gasket added to it.
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Does it rattle?
Not to nit-pick but I would call it a "frame" since the "gasket" is what holds the coin inside the slab shell.
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Ok, I finally got this from my bank box (and yes it does rattle). There is definitely an outer plastic frame/shell holding the rattler slab in place. Any suggestions on how to remove it? On the long edge it is slightly flexible but there I no way I can envision of flexing it enough to get the rattler slab loose from the shell. The plastic frame overlaps just too much.
The last thing I want to do is damage the rattler slab itself. Maybe use a manual file? Or a dremel tool very slowly to cut the outer frame/shell? I assume no one has done this before?
Maybe just put it back in my safe deposit box and ignore it?
I wish that our host would reuse the old label and solid gaskets when a reholder is requested.
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The first response to the counterfeit rattlers was to add the frame. It's actually separate and can be - very carefully added or removed.
Quoting Conder101:
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Just leave it alone. It isn't hurting anyone or anything.
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Agree and additionally it just might help protect that rattler holder from scratches as it is more protected now and fits pcgs (or other) boxes much better.
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I actually make rattler slab adapters for modern PCGS boxes and sell them on eBay. So this one doesn't fit! (see pic below)
@BStrauss3 So your opinion is this came from PCGS with the protective outer piece attached but with the 1.2 green label? It's not a super high serial number though and I'd guess someone (somehow) added it after the originally slabbing. As for it being removable, I'd like to see a YouTube video of that!
Slab adapter (happy to sell them off ebay):
No. You have misunderstood the quote from @BStrauss3. PCGS did not add the outer adapter to a slab that was identical to the rattler. The plastic portions of the two holders are similar or identical, but the reverse of the certification insert is entirely different. I don't recall you sharing a reverse image of this coin, but if the reverse is a typical rattler reverse then it is not the version that PCGS added the adapter to.
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Thanks @TomB. I understood but I just can't see how this plastic insert got around this rattler slab unless it was done at PCGS themselves. The back is a standard rattler background. IMHO, there is no way to slide a rattler slab into a doily outer shell or remove it for that matter. But maybe people managed that somehow.
Standard rattler back. No barcode. No PCGS. I wish Condor101's old thread still had the pictures attached.
I've never had any luck in removing properly "sealed" outer frames w/o damaging it. I've had a couple samples where the frame literally fell off.
There have been several doilies over the years on ebay with obviously damaged outer frames that have been glued back together with variable skill levels.