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How would you grade this mint state buffalo nickel that is now in a slab?

BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

Take a stab at grading this mint state buffalo nickel that is already holder. Should be fun and interesting.

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭✭✭

    67

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  • jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS-66 PL. It looks like it may have reflective fields.

  • silverbulsilverbul Posts: 139 ✭✭✭

    MS71, you were ripped off. jmo

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    some pretty rough images even for a gtg.

    since there are no prizes for right/wrong, i'll say:

    details damage bezel.

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 10,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 27, 2022 3:29PM

    66 from these pics

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is that PVC etching on the rev ? Looks like it to these eyes

  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS65

    GrandAm :)
  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is the grading information
    Grade MS68
    Grading Service: NGC
    Cert Number: 4228018003
    Its on ebay now with an asking price of over $5200.
    I do not see it!

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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was thinking 67, but I think Crypto has a good point about possible pvc damage-- the bison's shoulder?

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was thinking MS66, maybe 67..... Did not think 68. And would not pay such a price. Cheers, RickO

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    First thought was 67. I could see 68 thou. Looks like an early die state with an awesome strike and the luster to match.

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  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Its OK I guess would not have gone 68 IMO.

    There are over 5000 pcgs graded 66 and higher. Registry fanboy coin.

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,898 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BUFFNIXX said:
    Here is the grading information
    Grade MS68
    Grading Service: NGC
    Cert Number: 4228018003
    Its on ebay now with an asking price of over $5200.
    I do not see it!

    MS68? No way. Not even close.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • 1Bufffan1Bufffan Posts: 616 ✭✭✭

    Sorry I would have only given this coin around MS65 not even close to a 68, I have seen better coins with lower grades that I like better, I would pass on this one for sure.

  • EbeneezerEbeneezer Posts: 263 ✭✭✭

    Nickel is an extremely hard metal to strike up properly, especially for the technology of the time. Which is the reason many of the Indian Head nickels exhibit signs of die polish. This specimen to me lacks any. Yet factoring these in, the numerous minute imperfections- in my opinion- warrant a grade no higher than MS66, possible plus based on grading criteria. However, I do like the look of it only way over on the asking price.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,920 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1Bufffan said:
    Sorry I would have only given this coin around MS65 not even close to a 68, I have seen better coins with lower grades that I like better, I would pass on this one for sure.

    Why would you assign a grade of only “around MS65”?

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can see 68 easily with this coin. It may look 65 because of the images, but it's just that - the images. There's only a few very minor marks on the coin, it's got incredible luster, fantastic tone, and possibly prooflike fields. All can easily add up to a 68, and we don't have it in hand to argue with NGC's opinion based on these poor images.

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    we aren't working with proper information. the listing doesn't have an obv slab shot. probably an accident. there are other(s) 1937 ms68 ngc buffs to comp. fwiw

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  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,228 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have a tendency to condemn to a lower grade based on the photo, but in-hand it may appear substantially different - it seems hard to believe the TPG could be off by a full 3 points, although not the first time certainly.

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BUFFNIXX said:
    Here is the grading information
    Grade MS68
    Grading Service: NGC
    Cert Number: 4228018003
    Its on ebay now with an asking price of over $5200.
    I do not see it!

    I wouldn't have graded it more than 65. I don't care for it, but of course, that's just me.

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  • fiftysevenerfiftysevener Posts: 896 ✭✭✭✭

    Coin is very well struck, pretty much mark free with semi proof like surfaces. Why not 68 ?

  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fiftysevener said:
    Coin is very well struck, pretty much mark free with semi proof like surfaces. Why not 68 ?

    Low eye appeal,,,,,,,,,,,,

    GrandAm :)
  • fiftysevenerfiftysevener Posts: 896 ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 28, 2022 9:43AM

    @GRANDAM said:

    @fiftysevener said:
    Coin is very well struck, pretty much mark free with semi proof like surfaces. Why not 68 ?

    Low eye appeal,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Eye appeal is subjective, I love it ! Very few mint state Buffalos are well struck.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,920 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fiftysevener said:

    @GRANDAM said:

    @fiftysevener said:
    Coin is very well struck, pretty much mark free with semi proof like surfaces. Why not 68 ?

    Low eye appeal,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Eye appeal is subjective, I love it ! very few mint state Buffalos are well struck.

    Agreed. It also appears to have exceptional luster and flash, as well as attractive color.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • fiftysevenerfiftysevener Posts: 896 ✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @fiftysevener said:

    @GRANDAM said:

    @fiftysevener said:
    Coin is very well struck, pretty much mark free with semi proof like surfaces. Why not 68 ?

    Low eye appeal,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Eye appeal is subjective, I love it ! Very few mint state Buffalos are well struck.

    Agreed. It also appears to have exceptional luster and flash, as well as attractive color.

    Do you think this coin would merit a Star on the label ?

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,898 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fiftysevener said:

    @GRANDAM said:

    @fiftysevener said:
    Coin is very well struck, pretty much mark free with semi proof like surfaces. Why not 68 ?

    Low eye appeal,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Eye appeal is subjective, I love it ! Very few mint state Buffalos are well struck.

    MS68 coins should always be sharply struck!

    All glory is fleeting.
  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 10,713 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the coin was in a P holder I suspect that replies would be very different.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,920 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 28, 2022 11:22AM

    @fiftysevener said:

    @MFeld said:

    @fiftysevener said:

    @GRANDAM said:

    @fiftysevener said:
    Coin is very well struck, pretty much mark free with semi proof like surfaces. Why not 68 ?

    Low eye appeal,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Eye appeal is subjective, I love it ! Very few mint state Buffalos are well struck.

    Agreed. It also appears to have exceptional luster and flash, as well as attractive color.

    Do you think this coin would merit a Star on the label ?

    Without seeing it in hand, the best I can do is “possibly”.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 22,993 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:
    If the coin was in a P holder I suspect that replies would be very different.

    Condemning it more or praising it more?

    peacockcoins

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,920 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 28, 2022 12:22PM

    @braddick said:

    @coinbuf said:
    If the coin was in a P holder I suspect that replies would be very different.

    Condemning it more or praising it more?

    How often do you see posts here, that are more likely to praise (rather than condemn) an NGC graded coin than they are a PCGS graded one? ;)

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    While I can see the coin in a 67 holder and perhaps with a star, it is not for me. I'm not a coffee ground toning lover. It makes the coin look dirty to me and the grain pits also deter my liking this coin. Were it in a PCGS holder at MS68, I would still pass.
    Not for me.
    Jim


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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It would be interesting to see these photos of the coin on the ebay auction page.
    Jim


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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 10,713 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:

    @coinbuf said:
    If the coin was in a P holder I suspect that replies would be very different.

    Condemning it more or praising it more?

    You have been here for awhile, you tell me. :)

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    My Collection of Old Holders

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  • 2windy2fish2windy2fish Posts: 793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Honestly, i would have said 58! The rub on the buffaloes shoulder, or whatever that is…does not look great…

  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am certain the coin was graded on Christmas morning,,,,, the grade was a gift.

    GrandAm :)
  • nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,826 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 28, 2022 1:11PM

    My first guess would have been 66 to 67.
    It’s a nice solid Buff and I might speculate that the photos magnified the subtle irregularities and perceived imperfections. The spots on the shoulder are a bit of a concern, but I’ve seen many that share similar markings. This date is often very well struck and this is furthering that point. I bet it’s a great coin in hand with excellent luster.

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 22,993 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:

    @braddick said:

    @coinbuf said:
    If the coin was in a P holder I suspect that replies would be very different.

    Condemning it more or praising it more?

    You have been here for awhile, you tell me. :)

    I have my own opinion. I choose not to speak of yours.

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