@Stingray63 said:
Too much for an altered coin in my opinion. It fills the spot but what does it really do for the value? I'd rather have an original in a lower grade.
Well, confession time - paid $13 for the Million Dollar Morgan Replica Collection and used it in my Dansco till the genuine coins could be snagged and replace them.
Well, I really appreciate all your opinions, it was interesting to hear them all and the different reasons you didn't like it or were ok with it, thanks for being honest!
I still like it just fine, its a unique hole-filler and a neat piece of history, and as it is the only altered date large cent out of a couple hundred in my collection, I can live with it
."It's a dangerous business... going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to" -JRR Tolkien_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Outstanding BST transactions as a seller, buyer and trader with: ----- mustanggt, Kliao, claudewill87, MWallace, paesan, mpbuck82, moursund, basetsb, lordmarcovan, JWP, Coin hunter 4, COINS MAKE CENTS, PerryHall, Aspie_Rocco, Braddick, DBSTrader2, SanctionII, Histman, The_Dinosaur_Man, jesbroken, CentSearcher ------ANA Member #3214817
Just out of curiosity, what did you do with the 1793 and 1799? In addition to the 1804, these are the three dates I could never approach in my Date Set of Large Cents. ... the "Usual Suspects" so to speak. I completely understand not wanting to include a damaged F-02 or P-01 details coin, especially when they're still offered at over $1k. I just couldn't bring myself to buy, especially when there are much more beautiful and interesting coins to buy at that price point. What I did is reevaluate my approach to collecting Large Cents.
Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;
Speaking of’ ‘93, I’m all in on this one for around $650.
Obverse heavily tooled to remove scratches, otherwise a relatively decent example with a legible date, in MY opinion.
@lkenefic said:
Just out of curiosity, what did you do with the 1793 and 1799? In addition to the 1804, these are the three dates I could never approach in my Date Set of Large Cents. ... the "Usual Suspects" so to speak. I completely understand not wanting to include a damaged F-02 or P-01 details coin, especially when they're still offered at over $1k. I just couldn't bring myself to buy, especially when there are much more beautiful and interesting coins to buy at that price point. What I did is reevaluate my approach to collecting Large Cents.
My main focus in Large Cents is the 1794-1798 coins. Obviously that is what I can afford. But if you go by variety you can build a great early copper collection with just those five dates, or even just one of those dates.
The 1793 I cannot currently afford but I greatly appreciate its historical value as a product of the Mint’s infancy. Might try to get the Wreath in a few years, maybe when I graduate college. And if I ever buy a cull dateless Liberty Cap with a big bisecting die crack right down the middle of the obverse… well I’ll let this forum know.
The 1799 doesn’t really interest me enough to spend thousands of $ on one.
"You can't get just one gun." "You can't get just one tattoo." "You can't get just one 1796 Draped Bust Large Cent."
My main focus in Large Cents is the 1794-1798 coins. Obviously that is what I can afford. But if you go by variety you can build a great early copper collection with just those five dates, or even just one of those dates.
Once upon a time I really liked the 1795 cents, as it's a little more manageable to get many of the die varieties. The '94 and '96 varieties are just too numerous, and the '97-98 varieties not diverse or interesting enough.
@lkenefic said:
Just out of curiosity, what did you do with the 1793 and 1799? In addition to the 1804, these are the three dates I could never approach in my Date Set of Large Cents. ... the "Usual Suspects" so to speak. I completely understand not wanting to include a damaged F-02 or P-01 details coin, especially when they're still offered at over $1k. I just couldn't bring myself to buy, especially when there are much more beautiful and interesting coins to buy at that price point. What I did is reevaluate my approach to collecting Large Cents.
I wasn't sure who you were asking but I'll answer as well, I'm actively working on building a 1793-1857 date set with all dates and most major varieties.
I have a draped bust that I acquired for under $25 as a cull, it might be a 1799, its too far gone to be able to tell for sure... and I also have a Gallery Mint fantasy "1799"
I currently own a 1793 wreath cent but I think I'm going to have to sell it soon, I can't afford to keep it lol
This is the possible 1799, it might just as easily be a 98 though...
."It's a dangerous business... going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to" -JRR Tolkien_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Outstanding BST transactions as a seller, buyer and trader with: ----- mustanggt, Kliao, claudewill87, MWallace, paesan, mpbuck82, moursund, basetsb, lordmarcovan, JWP, Coin hunter 4, COINS MAKE CENTS, PerryHall, Aspie_Rocco, Braddick, DBSTrader2, SanctionII, Histman, The_Dinosaur_Man, jesbroken, CentSearcher ------ANA Member #3214817
@Stingray63 said:
Too much for an altered coin in my opinion. It fills the spot but what does it really do for the value? I'd rather have an original in a lower grade.
@Stingray63 said:
Too much for an altered coin in my opinion. It fills the spot but what does it really do for the value? I'd rather have an original in a lower grade.
@Stingray63 said:
Too much for an altered coin in my opinion. It fills the spot but what does it really do for the value? I'd rather have an original in a lower grade.
I really like it I'd buy this over any Alibaba fake coin.
Also I've got questions
Didn't hear anything about the 4 being a wrong one,,, so let's see.
Also raises a good question esp the 1803 coin is probably worth more,,, why do an alteration to the date?
Thanks all
PS I think it's an 1804 with the 1803 reverse. Which of course I'm sure has to be impossible right
@SlickCoins said:
I really like it I'd buy this over any Alibaba fake coin.
Also I've got questions
Didn't hear anything about the 4 being a wrong one,,, so let's see.
Also raises a good question esp the 1803 coin is probably worth more,,, why do an alteration to the date?
Thanks all
PS I think it's an 1804 with the 1803 reverse. Which of course I'm sure has to be impossible
So you would buy that coin at $550 rather than the Alibaba at $5?
No one is objecting to the coin itself. It is the price point.
Oh geeze good question, I'd have to have better pics esp if not in hand,,, IDK
I'm leaning towards yes any day of the week. This coin is one of those ones that makes you think or at least me it does.
Just my own opinion
I would not unless it was in hand & was it off eBay or a trusted source?
Thanks
@SlickCoins said:
I really like it I'd buy this over any Alibaba fake coin.
Also I've got questions
Didn't hear anything about the 4 being a wrong one,,, so let's see.
Also raises a good question esp the 1803 coin is probably worth more,,, why do an alteration to the date?
Thanks all
PS I think it's an 1804 with the 1803 reverse. Which of course I'm sure has to be impossible
So you would buy that coin at $550 rather than the Alibaba at $5?
No one is objecting to the coin itself. It is the price point.
Well, almost no one. I object to the coin itself. Someone ruined a nice 1803 so they could feel like they had a 1804.
@SlickCoins said:
I really like it I'd buy this over any Alibaba fake coin.
Also I've got questions
Didn't hear anything about the 4 being a wrong one,,, so let's see.
Also raises a good question esp the 1803 coin is probably worth more,,, why do an alteration to the date?
Thanks all
PS I think it's an 1804 with the 1803 reverse. Which of course I'm sure has to be impossible
So you would buy that coin at $550 rather than the Alibaba at $5?
No one is objecting to the coin itself. It is the price point.
Well, almost no one. I object to the coin itself. Someone ruined a nice 1803 so they could feel like they had a 1804.
Well, yes. But there's no undoing that. No one is suggesting that 1803's should be turned into 1804's. The question is whether you would...what? Destroy it completely? Assuming you don't want to melt it, it's just a price point issue from $0 to $550.
@Walkerguy21D said:
Speaking of’ ‘93, I’m all in on this one for around $650.
Obverse heavily tooled to remove scratches, otherwise a relatively decent example with a legible date, in MY opinion.
That's an exceptionally nice reverse. $650 is more than reasonable for that piece in my opinion.
"You can't get just one gun." "You can't get just one tattoo." "You can't get just one 1796 Draped Bust Large Cent."
@oreville said:
Have you considered a reproduced 1804 large cent?
Are you talking about a replica or restrike?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Yeah this coin will never be seen for what it truly is because these simple facts.
Number one,,, the color of the 4 period end of story.
Number two,,, the reverse of 03' period end of story.
Hmmm that about sums that up
It's impossible just like another coin I speak of, I mean at least for now.
Thanks all have a great day
PS
Still wondering why they'd mess up a coin that easily would've passed as 1803 to make an 1804 as you all say, changing it's color and making it super obvious.
It is strange the first time I'm being asked to compare a legit coin to Alibaba coins,,, hmmm 🤔 then asked if I'd buy junk from the junkyard.
Jmo & my pictures change everything, it is 1803 coin obverse & reverse,, the date hmmm
It is all about the hair.
1803
1804
@SlickCoins said:
Yeah this coin will never be seen for what it truly is because these simple facts.
Number one,,, the color of the 4 period end of story.
Number two,,, the reverse of 03' period end of story.
Hmmm that about sums that up
It's impossible just like another coin I speak of, I mean at least for now.
Thanks all have a great day
PS
Still wondering why they'd mess up a coin that easily would've passed as 1803 to make an 1804 as you all say, changing it's color and making it super obvious.
It is strange the first time I'm being asked to compare a legit coin to Alibaba coins,,, hmmm 🤔 then asked if I'd buy junk from the junkyard.
Jmo
An 1803 with an altered date as a hole filler is not a "legit coin". It's equivalent to adding a D to a 1916 dime. It is only slightly better than an Alibaba fake.
Personally, I'd leave the hole empty. But if I had to fill it, I would much rather put the $5 coin than the $500.
In fact. Paying $500 for an altered coin just encourages people to alter them. At least no true coin was lost in the creation of the Alibaba coin.
Yeah after my pictures of the hairstyles, it's either altered or they pulled a fast one lol 😂 it's a conspiracy
Yes I'd spend $500 for it, for it's an 1803 with the wrong date & this wrong dated 1804 spanks this BRN VF-35 graded 1803 any day of the week, or close and didn't spend $57k sry wrong coin,,, refer to OP
In my opinion
@oreville said:
Have you considered a reproduced 1804 large cent?
Are you talking about a replica or restrike?
That's what I'm more inclined to do... opt for the 1804 Restrike. They're still expensive but they're available in AU grades for significantly less than a real one. They're also part of numismatic history.
Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;
@oreville said:
Have you considered a reproduced 1804 large cent?
Are you talking about a replica or restrike?
That's what I'm more inclined to do... opt for the 1804 Restrike. They're still expensive but they're available in AU grades for significantly less than a real one. They're also part of numismatic history.
A less expensive but still highly collectible piece is an old electrotype of an 1804 large cent. Quite a few EAC collectors collect electrotypes and some of them sell for good money.
"You can't get just one gun." "You can't get just one tattoo." "You can't get just one 1796 Draped Bust Large Cent."
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Too much for an altered coin in my opinion. It fills the spot but what does it really do for the value? I'd rather have an original in a lower grade.
Pocket Change Inspector
You could also fill the spot this way:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2251801863840034.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.30c52799ayFW2F&algo_pvid=64e90550-41df-4317-a838-df43a612c918&algo_exp_id=64e90550-41df-4317-a838-df43a612c918-0&pdp_ext_f={"sku_id":"14140488088"}&pdp_npi=2@dis!USD!!3.0!!!!!@2103255b16539606096835815ed0df!14140488088!sea
Well, confession time - paid $13 for the Million Dollar Morgan Replica Collection and used it in my Dansco till the genuine coins could be snagged and replace them.
https://franklinmint.com/products/million-dollar-morgan-replica-collection
The King of Morgans 1895 P would probably remain in there forever though coz I have been unable to find one that fits my budget.
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/quarters/PCGS-2020-quarter-quest/album/247091
Well, I really appreciate all your opinions, it was interesting to hear them all and the different reasons you didn't like it or were ok with it, thanks for being honest!
I still like it just fine, its a unique hole-filler and a neat piece of history, and as it is the only altered date large cent out of a couple hundred in my collection, I can live with it
."It's a dangerous business... going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to" -JRR Tolkien_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Outstanding BST transactions as a seller, buyer and trader with: ----- mustanggt, Kliao, claudewill87, MWallace, paesan, mpbuck82, moursund, basetsb, lordmarcovan, JWP, Coin hunter 4, COINS MAKE CENTS, PerryHall, Aspie_Rocco, Braddick, DBSTrader2, SanctionII, Histman, The_Dinosaur_Man, jesbroken, CentSearcher ------ANA Member #3214817
Just out of curiosity, what did you do with the 1793 and 1799? In addition to the 1804, these are the three dates I could never approach in my Date Set of Large Cents. ... the "Usual Suspects" so to speak. I completely understand not wanting to include a damaged F-02 or P-01 details coin, especially when they're still offered at over $1k. I just couldn't bring myself to buy, especially when there are much more beautiful and interesting coins to buy at that price point. What I did is reevaluate my approach to collecting Large Cents.
Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
If you coated it with gold it would really be a one of a kind....
Speaking of’ ‘93, I’m all in on this one for around $650.
Obverse heavily tooled to remove scratches, otherwise a relatively decent example with a legible date, in MY opinion.
My main focus in Large Cents is the 1794-1798 coins. Obviously that is what I can afford. But if you go by variety you can build a great early copper collection with just those five dates, or even just one of those dates.
The 1793 I cannot currently afford but I greatly appreciate its historical value as a product of the Mint’s infancy. Might try to get the Wreath in a few years, maybe when I graduate college. And if I ever buy a cull dateless Liberty Cap with a big bisecting die crack right down the middle of the obverse… well I’ll let this forum know.
The 1799 doesn’t really interest me enough to spend thousands of $ on one.
"You can't get just one gun." "You can't get just one tattoo." "You can't get just one 1796 Draped Bust Large Cent."
My main focus in Large Cents is the 1794-1798 coins. Obviously that is what I can afford. But if you go by variety you can build a great early copper collection with just those five dates, or even just one of those dates.
Once upon a time I really liked the 1795 cents, as it's a little more manageable to get many of the die varieties. The '94 and '96 varieties are just too numerous, and the '97-98 varieties not diverse or interesting enough.
Just sold this one in the EAC St. Louis auction...
I wasn't sure who you were asking but I'll answer as well, I'm actively working on building a 1793-1857 date set with all dates and most major varieties.
I have a draped bust that I acquired for under $25 as a cull, it might be a 1799, its too far gone to be able to tell for sure... and I also have a Gallery Mint fantasy "1799"
I currently own a 1793 wreath cent but I think I'm going to have to sell it soon, I can't afford to keep it lol
This is the possible 1799, it might just as easily be a 98 though...
."It's a dangerous business... going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to" -JRR Tolkien_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Outstanding BST transactions as a seller, buyer and trader with: ----- mustanggt, Kliao, claudewill87, MWallace, paesan, mpbuck82, moursund, basetsb, lordmarcovan, JWP, Coin hunter 4, COINS MAKE CENTS, PerryHall, Aspie_Rocco, Braddick, DBSTrader2, SanctionII, Histman, The_Dinosaur_Man, jesbroken, CentSearcher ------ANA Member #3214817
But that wouldn't deprive future collectors of a nice 1803.
You could also fill the spot this way:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2251801863840034.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.30c52799ayFW2F&algo_pvid=64e90550-41df-4317-a838-df43a612c918&algo_exp_id=64e90550-41df-4317-a838-df43a612c918-0&pdp_ext_f={"sku_id":"14140488088"}&pdp_npi=2@dis!USD!!3.0!!!!!@2103255b16539606096835815ed0df!14140488088!sea> @Atcarroll said:
So a double win... other than the existence of a cheap counterfeit to create confusion for future generations.
I really like it
I'd buy this over any Alibaba fake coin.
Also I've got questions
Didn't hear anything about the 4 being a wrong one,,, so let's see.
Also raises a good question esp the 1803 coin is probably worth more,,, why do an alteration to the date?
Thanks all
PS I think it's an 1804 with the 1803 reverse. Which of course I'm sure has to be impossible right
So I shall explain more with 1804' reverses
What do they all share in common one might ask?
Thanks all
So you would buy that coin at $550 rather than the Alibaba at $5?
No one is objecting to the coin itself. It is the price point.
Oh geeze
good question, I'd have to have better pics esp if not in hand,,, IDK
I'm leaning towards yes any day of the week. This coin is one of those ones that makes you think or at least me it does.
Just my own opinion
I would not unless it was in hand & was it off eBay or a trusted source?
Thanks
Well, almost no one. I object to the coin itself. Someone ruined a nice 1803 so they could feel like they had a 1804.
Well, yes. But there's no undoing that. No one is suggesting that 1803's should be turned into 1804's. The question is whether you would...what? Destroy it completely? Assuming you don't want to melt it, it's just a price point issue from $0 to $550.
That's an exceptionally nice reverse. $650 is more than reasonable for that piece in my opinion.
"You can't get just one gun." "You can't get just one tattoo." "You can't get just one 1796 Draped Bust Large Cent."
Have you considered a reproduced 1804 large cent?
Are you talking about a replica or restrike?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Yeah this coin will never be seen for what it truly is because these simple facts.
Number one,,, the color of the 4 period end of story.
Number two,,, the reverse of 03' period end of story.
Hmmm that about sums that up
It's impossible just like another coin I speak of, I mean at least for now.
Thanks all
have a great day
PS
Still wondering why they'd mess up a coin that easily would've passed as 1803 to make an 1804 as you all say, changing it's color and making it super obvious.
It is strange the first time I'm being asked to compare a legit coin to Alibaba coins,,, hmmm 🤔 then asked if I'd buy junk from the junkyard.
Jmo & my pictures change everything, it is 1803 coin obverse & reverse,, the date hmmm
It is all about the hair.
1803
1804
An 1803 with an altered date as a hole filler is not a "legit coin". It's equivalent to adding a D to a 1916 dime. It is only slightly better than an Alibaba fake.
Personally, I'd leave the hole empty. But if I had to fill it, I would much rather put the $5 coin than the $500.
In fact. Paying $500 for an altered coin just encourages people to alter them. At least no true coin was lost in the creation of the Alibaba coin.
Yeah after my pictures of the hairstyles, it's either altered or they pulled a fast one lol 😂 it's a conspiracy
Yes I'd spend $500 for it, for it's an 1803 with the wrong date & this wrong dated 1804 spanks this BRN VF-35 graded 1803 any day of the week, or close and didn't spend $57k sry wrong coin,,, refer to OP
In my opinion
That's what I'm more inclined to do... opt for the 1804 Restrike. They're still expensive but they're available in AU grades for significantly less than a real one. They're also part of numismatic history.
Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
A less expensive but still highly collectible piece is an old electrotype of an 1804 large cent. Quite a few EAC collectors collect electrotypes and some of them sell for good money.
"You can't get just one gun." "You can't get just one tattoo." "You can't get just one 1796 Draped Bust Large Cent."
Of course I meant a restrike but at 1:55AM in the morning I could not remember the term restrike. LOL