This is who writes MN Coin Law, totally clueless
Tomthecoinguy
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There have been a number of threads over the year about the Draconian Minnesota Coin Bullion Dealer law. Those of you that have been following it, know I have a case pending in the 8th Circuit court of appeals. In a clueless attempt to thwart my lawsuit, the MN legislature just passed some modifications to the law.
It seems the intent of the change was to defeat my lawsuit but they had no idea what they were doing. Our lawyers have reviewed the law changes, the State botched the changes so bad it will actually help our case!
To show just how clueless the Minnesota Legislature is, here is a clip of the author of the Bullion law update. It makes me sick to see how little she knows about the law she is supposedly authoring.
https://youtu.be/8Fjw7Rrx8FQ?t=2001
If you keep watching after the author speaks, there are actually some good comments by some of the opposition to the bill.
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So she openly admitted to not knowing anything about the bill... and continues to just make jokes the whole time. This is an embarrassment and incredibly unprofessional.
Oh but it's a fair bill, just vote for it...
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I can't believe that she admitted to know nothing about the bill even when she's the author of it. What a huge embarrassment.
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What a bunch of clueless idiots, you should win your case easily if this is what you are up against.
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Some of my lawyer peers in California are involved in representing their client's interests in proposed legislation that members of the California Legislature (State Senate and State House Of Representatives) debate, discuss and vote on.
They tell me that there are elected representatives walking the halls of the State Capital in Sacramento who are suited only for a docent led walking tour of the Capital.
Yes, you are exactly right. They made some bad mistakes in their arguments. They freely admitted the element we needed to prove to show the law was unconstitutional, it was clear they did not understand the SCOTUS precedents.
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Couldn't watch it all. Totally unprofessional response to a concern of We The People. And the audience had the nerve to laugh. May it come back to bite her/them.
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Complete fools. Disgusting
Can’t even listen to her speak made it a few minutes in. What an insufferable clown- making a mockery of a law that has legitimate negative impact on the citizens of the state with such little knowledge of the issue she can’t even pronounce “bullion”. She should be ashamed.
She sounds like she’s from my state! I live in, California 😩
Also dumb as a box a rocks. I’m sorry for you guys😞
This disgusts me. All I can hope for is that my generation can change something. Perhaps we can see her email so we can air our grievances to her office, is that allowed?
I think perhaps the forum could come up with a nice pleasant paragraph or two for her to hear. Maybe throw a few jokes her way?
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I just sent an email to my Representative in MN to express my profound disappointment with the knowledge and conduct of the members regarding this bill. Sure looks like a bunch of bumbling clueless morons. I also contacted Rep. Olson to thank him for having a pretty solid grasp on the peripheral impacts of this bill
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@Tomthemailcarrier, If I read the revisions right, it seems they are trying to fix the law so that it only applies to those transactions that have some base in Minnesota. But even I with my puny legal knowledge can see it's been badly done.
It seems that the law therefore regulates someone in say, Colorado, who happens to be a dealer selling to someone in Minnesota. It seems that they somehow managed to say it more clearly that everyone selling into or out of MN needs to register. Please, set me straight here.
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Now, think about all the other laws these people write. Do you suppose they're any better informed on them?
So full of herself, I couldn't even get through her introduction.
As Forest Gump’s mother said, “Stupid is as stupid does.”
I think you meant @tomthecoinguy.
You have a pretty good understanding of the issue in my lawsuit. The issue is that MN is trying to regulate transactions that happen entirely outside of MN, which is unconstitutional according to the SCOTUS in a 9-0 ruling.
This law attempts to fix that by only regulating "Minnesota Transactions." This law change defines the term, and then uses it throughout the law to define what is regulated.
Here is where the total botch job comes in. They defined Minnesota Transactions to include any transaction that involves a MN resident. They don't limit it geographically, so it does not matter where the Minnesota resident is in the world they are trying to regulated them in violation of the constitution.
Another area where they botch the recent law change, is they use a circular definition in defining "Minnesota Transactions".
To be a "dealer" you have to conduct "Minnesota Transactions", but it is not a "Minnesota Transactions" unless you are a "dealer." If that isn't confusing enough, you are specifically not a dealer if you only conduct transactions with other dealers.
Cannot make this stupidity up.
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It's obvious from her knowledge of the subject, she isn't doing this out of the goodness of her heart for her constituents and the citizens of Minnesota. Who is providing the campaign contributions to "encourage" her involvement in this legislation?
That video is scary stuff.
She reminds me of a college student senate member who thinks they have more power than they really do. But tne problem in her case is that she actually does have some power.
It's a total embarrassment.
It's a simple matter of jurisdiction. No state court or legislature can give itself the power to impose its laws on someone who did not commit a crime while in the state. It is simply overreach and should be easily found to be unconstitional with the services of a good attorney.
It's really scary stuff when you start to understand the way things really work. When I called the Legislative Assistant (LA) for the Representative (Rep) in the video, the LA said the Rep. was probably carrying the bill for someone else, i.e. a lobbyist. But she wasn't sure who. It turns out the Rep was carrying the bill for the Minnesota Department of Commerce.
Six years ago there was another bill to amend the law going through the legislature. I called the author to ask for changes to the bill. I was floored when she said I would have to talk to the lobbyist for the bill, and gave me his name and number. Yep, the legislators don't actually write their own bills. I looked up the lobbyist, and sure enough they gave a big fat campaign contribution to both the author and the caucus of the author.
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Do you really expect anything better from our government (republicans and democrats)?
That was pretty decent as a standup comedy routine!
I watched the you tube video.
About what I expected.
Local, state and national legislative bodies have increasing numbers of elected representatives who are just like the sponsor of the subject legislation.
These people are voted into office by their constituants. The elected representatives mirror their constituants.
The persons who vote and place people like the sponsor of the subject legislation are the product of society (including the public education system) as it has developed post WW2.
Society is generally trending towards the left side of the political spectrum and towards cradle to the grave government involvement in the lives of the individual.
I wonder if and when this trend will stop and move in the other direction.