Well, this chucklehead did not pay for the auction of mine that he won and eBay canceled the order... I wonder how many times they let this loser do this before giving him the boot.
@Davidcoins said:
Thanks for sharing this experience...we need fo help protect each other by sharing these kind of experiences...
Personally, I wish there was a way to block any buyer who posts a negative review of a seller --> negative reviews hurt us so much, I feel like it's a sign the person didn't make an attempt to work things out with the seller --
We should start a 'eBay horror stories' thread, which includes links to the names, then people can read through and make their own conclusion whether or not to block the person or not,
but after reviewing some of the stories above, I wish you guys had included links to names because these are people I'd like to block...
So I bought a book last summer for $60 listed as "Brand New". Reading copies were selling for ~$10-15. An ex-library book showed up. I was not pleased and, as the above suggests, tried to work it out with the seller. First they asked for pictures, which I'll share on request if anyone thinks I should have considered "Band New". After that they offered a partial refund of $5-10 (I don't remember exactly) but if I'd done that I'd be out $50 for something I would never have bought in the first place. So I told them that I'd just rather return it. The rep said she'd have to wait for her boss to return from vacation or something, and I waited patiently, asking for status updates about weekly. Finally I realized they were never going to let me return the book on their own, so I tried to file a complaint with eBay. But the time for a SNAD had expired. So because I did what you suggested above, I'm out $60 and have a book I never wanted in the first place. And you tell me you'd block me for the Negative I left?
@Davidcoins said:
Thanks for sharing this experience...we need fo help protect each other by sharing these kind of experiences...
Personally, I wish there was a way to block any buyer who posts a negative review of a seller --> negative reviews hurt us so much, I feel like it's a sign the person didn't make an attempt to work things out with the seller --
We should start a 'eBay horror stories' thread, which includes links to the names, then people can read through and make their own conclusion whether or not to block the person or not,
but after reviewing some of the stories above, I wish you guys had included links to names because these are people I'd like to block...
So I bought a book last summer for $60 listed as "Brand New". Reading copies were selling for ~$10-15. An ex-library book showed up. I was not pleased and, as the above suggests, tried to work it out with the seller. First they asked for pictures, which I'll share on request if anyone thinks I should have considered "Band New". After that they offered a partial refund of $5-10 (I don't remember exactly) but if I'd done that I'd be out $50 for something I would never have bought in the first place. So I told them that I'd just rather return it. The rep said she'd have to wait for her boss to return from vacation or something, and I waited patiently, asking for status updates about weekly. Finally I realized they were never going to let me return the book on their own, so I tried to file a complaint with eBay. But the time for a SNAD had expired. So because I did what you suggested above, I'm out $60 and have a book I never wanted in the first place. And you tell me you'd block me for the Negative I left?
You can file a charge back months after the sale.
No one said all sellers were perfect.
There's a big difference between someone who posts one negative and people who file negatives repeatedly. I've seen buyers who post more than 50% negatives.
@Davidcoins said:
Thanks for sharing this experience...we need fo help protect each other by sharing these kind of experiences...
Personally, I wish there was a way to block any buyer who posts a negative review of a seller --> negative reviews hurt us so much, I feel like it's a sign the person didn't make an attempt to work things out with the seller --
We should start a 'eBay horror stories' thread, which includes links to the names, then people can read through and make their own conclusion whether or not to block the person or not,
but after reviewing some of the stories above, I wish you guys had included links to names because these are people I'd like to block...
So I bought a book last summer for $60 listed as "Brand New". Reading copies were selling for ~$10-15. An ex-library book showed up. I was not pleased and, as the above suggests, tried to work it out with the seller. First they asked for pictures, which I'll share on request if anyone thinks I should have considered "Band New". After that they offered a partial refund of $5-10 (I don't remember exactly) but if I'd done that I'd be out $50 for something I would never have bought in the first place. So I told them that I'd just rather return it. The rep said she'd have to wait for her boss to return from vacation or something, and I waited patiently, asking for status updates about weekly. Finally I realized they were never going to let me return the book on their own, so I tried to file a complaint with eBay. But the time for a SNAD had expired. So because I did what you suggested above, I'm out $60 and have a book I never wanted in the first place. And you tell me you'd block me for the Negative I left?
You can file a charge back months after the sale.
No one said all sellers were perfect.
There's a big difference between someone who posts one negative and people who file negatives repeatedly. I've seen buyers who post more than 50% negatives.
While you’re correct, that’s largely beside the point. His post was in reply to one which said, in part:
“Personally, I wish there was a way to block any buyer who posts a negative review of a seller --> negative reviews hurt us so much, I feel like it's a sign the person didn't make an attempt to work things out with the seller --“
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@alefzero said:
Oh, unfortunately they can get worse. I had one buyer, who was also a seller buy a bunch from me. They actually paid. However, they submitted a return request as Not As Described (while still in transit to them) which was honored by eBay without even considering the nonsense of it. Turned out the buyer had listed nearly identical coins and just wanted mine out of the way. Cost me two-way shipping (I shipped out USPS Express to be nice too) plus shipping materials, lost exposure time on eBay, all so she could sell hers higher than my asking prices. I never bothered relisting them. Think I will just try to sell out my posters, records, etc and sell coins at shows. Screw eBay and whatever it rode in on. Oh, these were 2021-CC Morgans in PCGS MS70 First Strike holders with COAs. It is pretty much impossible to misrepresent them. There are other stories too.
Here is one to really look out for. I listed a bunch of certified coins for 99c start with no reserve. They bid up over the week. In the last hour or so, I forget exactly when, all of the bids dropped to 99c and there was no bidding history. I talked with eBay and what happened was there were new accounts that bid it up but those accounts were deleted on the last day. The way eBay works is if one voluntarily deletes their account or eBay terminates it, all bidding history is deleted. So, these lots sold for around a buck each. Potential bidders had probably already bypassed them because the bidding was so high already until it was too late. I think the highest one was a certified 1966 SMS dime in 68DCAM CAC that sold for $6.60 including shipping. Silver dollars sold for less than face, much less than melt of course. I told the eBay representative that I would never ruin a coin auction on their platform again, despite having done so since 1995 and would tell others what the deal was.
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You should return the favor on multiple large ticket items to let her know how it feels.
@Davidcoins said:
Thanks for sharing this experience...we need fo help protect each other by sharing these kind of experiences...
Personally, I wish there was a way to block any buyer who posts a negative review of a seller --> negative reviews hurt us so much, I feel like it's a sign the person didn't make an attempt to work things out with the seller --
We should start a 'eBay horror stories' thread, which includes links to the names, then people can read through and make their own conclusion whether or not to block the person or not,
but after reviewing some of the stories above, I wish you guys had included links to names because these are people I'd like to block...
So I bought a book last summer for $60 listed as "Brand New". Reading copies were selling for ~$10-15. An ex-library book showed up. I was not pleased and, as the above suggests, tried to work it out with the seller. First they asked for pictures, which I'll share on request if anyone thinks I should have considered "Band New". After that they offered a partial refund of $5-10 (I don't remember exactly) but if I'd done that I'd be out $50 for something I would never have bought in the first place. So I told them that I'd just rather return it. The rep said she'd have to wait for her boss to return from vacation or something, and I waited patiently, asking for status updates about weekly. Finally I realized they were never going to let me return the book on their own, so I tried to file a complaint with eBay. But the time for a SNAD had expired. So because I did what you suggested above, I'm out $60 and have a book I never wanted in the first place. And you tell me you'd block me for the Negative I left?
You can file a charge back months after the sale.
No one said all sellers were perfect.
There's a big difference between someone who posts one negative and people who file negatives repeatedly. I've seen buyers who post more than 50% negatives.
While you’re correct, that’s largely beside the point. His post was in reply to one which said, in part:
“Personally, I wish there was a way to block any buyer who posts a negative review of a seller --> negative reviews hurt us so much, I feel like it's a sign the person didn't make an attempt to work things out with the seller --“
I know what was said. I was trying to be helpful with the first two comments and continue the discussion with the 3rd comment.
By the way, I had an hour long meeting with sunshine from your website development team. It reminded me how much better the Heritage site is than anyone else in the space. [Sorry, that was clearly an inappropriate comment also.]
Relisted items are no longer "fresh", and sometimes do not get the attention (bids) originally received. At least that has been my (limited) experience. So the cost can be more than time and frustration.
@vplite99 said:
Relisted items are no longer "fresh", and sometimes do not get the attention (bids) originally received. At least that has been my (limited) experience. So the cost can be more than time and frustration.
Actually, I've had relisted items sell for more than the first time around. YMMV
Of course, I've also had inquiries as to why an item was relisted.
But, folks can try to maximize the alleged pain of a non-paying bidder, for me it isn't even on my radar. Off the top of my head there is, of course, the SNAD which will actually cost you real money as well as MORE time and more inconvenience. There is the return with damage - do I have to spell out the problems there? There is the charge back without return. There is the charge back with return of an inferior item. There is the return followed by a chargeback which you will likely win but will take time to get your money unfrozen.
And how about no return, no cancellation, no chargeback but just a negative feedback because they didn't like your packing. If you think relisting an item somehow impairs the item, don't you think a negative feedback or two stifles the bidding?
But yeah, a non-paying bidder is just the absolute maximum amount of pain.
I’ve been blocked by several sellers. One dealer found out I bought one of his coins that was Detailed due to lacquer. I used acetone to remove the lacquer and then got a Top Pop and another tied for Top Pop.
@AlanSki said:
I’ve been blocked by several sellers. One dealer found out I bought one of his coins that was Detailed due to lacquer. I used acetone to remove the lacquer and then got a Top Pop and another tied for Top Pop.
@AlanSki said:
I’ve been blocked by several sellers. One dealer found out I bought one of his coins that was Detailed due to lacquer. I used acetone to remove the lacquer and then got a Top Pop and another tied for Top Pop.
@AlanSki said:
I’ve been blocked by several sellers. One dealer found out I bought one of his coins that was Detailed due to lacquer. I used acetone to remove the lacquer and then got a Top Pop and another tied for Top Pop.
@AlexinPA said:
I was a Buyer; only a buyer. 548 Positives 0 Neutrals 0 Negatives. I have bought from Sellers with 1 or 2 Negs and the transactions always worked. A year ago eBay kicked me to the curb. One day I tried to log on and couldn't. Called CS and was told my EMail address was not valid. It was an old one and yes, I should have put my new one in. I asked for their help and was told there was nothing that could be done and that the account was closed. I also was told I could open a new account and start over. I never returned an item and ALWAYS left the seller glowing feedback. I have never gone back except to check what items were selling for. So, even Buyers get a bad deal.
To be fair, this is GOOD WORK by eBay. While you may not have been trying to scam anyone, I think you can see the problem if people were using accounts that had either fake email addresses, fake postal addresses, fake PayPal accounts, etc.
Except Yahoo.com had discontinued, without informing any clients, that type of email address two years prior to this. It was good enough for eBay for all that time. And aside from not giving me any help or information it was hit the curb. And that sir; is just fine with me. I see something on eBay I might want I see if the seller has a website and go there. Not a problem to circumvent eBay.
So what about the other 99% of sellers who don't have a dedicated website? By ignoring most of ebay you are severely limiting your buying pool.
Chris - I am quite happy not buying any coins for my collection via eBay and have not found it to be limiting. Guess it depends on what one collects.
Seated Half Society member #38 "Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
@AlexinPA said:
I was a Buyer; only a buyer. 548 Positives 0 Neutrals 0 Negatives. I have bought from Sellers with 1 or 2 Negs and the transactions always worked. A year ago eBay kicked me to the curb. One day I tried to log on and couldn't. Called CS and was told my EMail address was not valid. It was an old one and yes, I should have put my new one in. I asked for their help and was told there was nothing that could be done and that the account was closed. I also was told I could open a new account and start over. I never returned an item and ALWAYS left the seller glowing feedback. I have never gone back except to check what items were selling for. So, even Buyers get a bad deal.
To be fair, this is GOOD WORK by eBay. While you may not have been trying to scam anyone, I think you can see the problem if people were using accounts that had either fake email addresses, fake postal addresses, fake PayPal accounts, etc.
Except Yahoo.com had discontinued, without informing any clients, that type of email address two years prior to this. It was good enough for eBay for all that time. And aside from not giving me any help or information it was hit the curb. And that sir; is just fine with me. I see something on eBay I might want I see if the seller has a website and go there. Not a problem to circumvent eBay.
So what about the other 99% of sellers who don't have a dedicated website? By ignoring most of ebay you are severely limiting your buying pool.
Chris - I am quite happy not buying any coins for my collection via eBay and have not found it to be limiting. Guess it depends on what one collects.
Well! I've missed several POP 1 coins I really wanted because I didn't see them quick enough. Unless your a widget collector you never know what you may miss on ebay!
eBay has always sided with the buyers, even with the non-payment accounts! I can't tell you how often I have reported non-payment and nothing happens. But as soon as someone marks that their tracking is not updating (out of my control!!), I am the one who gets penalized!
It would take a Herculean effort to undeniably be the worst bidder in the history of Ebay. One would have to make death threats against the seller before the auction even ended, demand shipping to an unverified address in Afghanistan that appears to be a bomb crater on Google Earth, mail a bad check smeared with anthrax spores (2001 style!), file a chargeback with Paypal, then neg the seller because the PCGS/CAC silver trime he received was much smaller than it looked on his monitor, which was the display screen on the inside of an enemy tank that's pointed at the seller's house right now. Even then, it would be a close call with 100,000 other bidders. You underestimate the depth of the internet cesspool, my friends.
@rhedden said:
It would take a Herculean effort to undeniably be the worst bidder in the history of Ebay. One would have to make death threats against the seller before the auction even ended, demand shipping to an unverified address in Afghanistan that appears to be a bomb crater on Google Earth, mail a bad check smeared with anthrax spores (2001 style!), file a chargeback with Paypal, then neg the seller because the PCGS/CAC silver trime he received was much smaller than it looked on his monitor, which was the display screen on the inside of an enemy tank that's pointed at the seller's house right now. Even then, it would be a close call with 100,000 other bidders. You underestimate the depth of the internet cesspool, my friends.
Wow! I nominate you the King of Hyperbole.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
@thefinn said:
Looks like sellers are afraid to leave negative or neutral feedback
Sellers aren't allowed to leave negative or neutral feedback.
I can't believe there's anyone left who didn't know this.
Hard concept to grasp no doubt, but not everyone sells on eBay.
You don't have to sell on eBay too know this. It was very controversial when rolled out. It's been discussed in this forum as well as on eBay forums. Most buyers know it because it gives them impunity in leaving feedback of their own.
My remark was a reference to an old forum classic thread where an Ebay buyer negged a seller for sending a half dime that was smaller than expected based on what it looked like on his monitor - as if they come in different sizes.
Everyone thought it was hilarious except the person who posted it and got hit with the neg.
@rhedden said:
My remark was a reference to an old forum classic thread where an Ebay buyer negged a seller for sending a half dime that was smaller than expected based on what it looked like on his monitor - as if they come in different sizes.
Everyone thought it was hilarious except the person who posted it and got hit with the neg.
I have a negative from a buyer who was disappointed that the coin was so small.
@rhedden said:
My remark was a reference to an old forum classic thread where an Ebay buyer negged a seller for sending a half dime that was smaller than expected based on what it looked like on his monitor - as if they come in different sizes.
Everyone thought it was hilarious except the person who posted it and got hit with the neg.
I have a negative from a buyer who was disappointed that the coin was so small.
I got a negative from a buyer for an item he didn't even buy. He bought an item. He then made a really low ball offers on another item, 99 cents. I explained that I couldn't sell a 99 cent item without losing money. He left me a negative on the other item saying I was rude to him in refusing his offer.
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Well, this chucklehead did not pay for the auction of mine that he won and eBay canceled the order... I wonder how many times they let this loser do this before giving him the boot.
So I bought a book last summer for $60 listed as "Brand New". Reading copies were selling for ~$10-15. An ex-library book showed up. I was not pleased and, as the above suggests, tried to work it out with the seller. First they asked for pictures, which I'll share on request if anyone thinks I should have considered "Band New". After that they offered a partial refund of $5-10 (I don't remember exactly) but if I'd done that I'd be out $50 for something I would never have bought in the first place. So I told them that I'd just rather return it. The rep said she'd have to wait for her boss to return from vacation or something, and I waited patiently, asking for status updates about weekly. Finally I realized they were never going to let me return the book on their own, so I tried to file a complaint with eBay. But the time for a SNAD had expired. So because I did what you suggested above, I'm out $60 and have a book I never wanted in the first place. And you tell me you'd block me for the Negative I left?
You can file a charge back months after the sale.
No one said all sellers were perfect.
There's a big difference between someone who posts one negative and people who file negatives repeatedly. I've seen buyers who post more than 50% negatives.
While you’re correct, that’s largely beside the point. His post was in reply to one which said, in part:
“Personally, I wish there was a way to block any buyer who posts a negative review of a seller --> negative reviews hurt us so much, I feel like it's a sign the person didn't make an attempt to work things out with the seller --“
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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You should return the favor on multiple large ticket items to let her know how it feels.
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I know what was said. I was trying to be helpful with the first two comments and continue the discussion with the 3rd comment.
Now even @MFeld is picking fights with me.
By the way, I had an hour long meeting with sunshine from your website development team. It reminded me how much better the Heritage site is than anyone else in the space. [Sorry, that was clearly an inappropriate comment also.]
Relisted items are no longer "fresh", and sometimes do not get the attention (bids) originally received. At least that has been my (limited) experience. So the cost can be more than time and frustration.
Actually, I've had relisted items sell for more than the first time around. YMMV
Of course, I've also had inquiries as to why an item was relisted.
But, folks can try to maximize the alleged pain of a non-paying bidder, for me it isn't even on my radar. Off the top of my head there is, of course, the SNAD which will actually cost you real money as well as MORE time and more inconvenience. There is the return with damage - do I have to spell out the problems there? There is the charge back without return. There is the charge back with return of an inferior item. There is the return followed by a chargeback which you will likely win but will take time to get your money unfrozen.
And how about no return, no cancellation, no chargeback but just a negative feedback because they didn't like your packing. If you think relisting an item somehow impairs the item, don't you think a negative feedback or two stifles the bidding?
But yeah, a non-paying bidder is just the absolute maximum amount of pain.
Of all the things that can go wrong for a seller, not being paid is probably among the least painful of them.
I don't think it's any worse than a bid retraction. A bid retraction will also make paranoid bidders think you are trying to manipulate the auction.
I’ve been blocked by several sellers. One dealer found out I bought one of his coins that was Detailed due to lacquer. I used acetone to remove the lacquer and then got a Top Pop and another tied for Top Pop.
After that I suddenly started getting blocked.
Not sure why anyone would block you for that...
I wouldn’t sell them back to him.
Well that's a little different, isn't it?
Chris - I am quite happy not buying any coins for my collection via eBay and have not found it to be limiting. Guess it depends on what one collects.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
Me too.
Well! I've missed several POP 1 coins I really wanted because I didn't see them quick enough. Unless your a widget collector you never know what you may miss on ebay!
Yep. I collect widgets.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
Looks like sellers are afraid to leave negative or neutral feedback
Sellers aren't allowed to leave negative or neutral feedback.
I can't believe there's anyone left who didn't know this.
Sorry, I meant buyers. I can’t believe everyone didn’t know this.
It’s too bad we have to deal with people as this character.
Betters day ahead my friend
You were correct before the "correction".
eBay has always sided with the buyers, even with the non-payment accounts! I can't tell you how often I have reported non-payment and nothing happens. But as soon as someone marks that their tracking is not updating (out of my control!!), I am the one who gets penalized!
As an ebay buyer, I do the following.
1: I only will buy from 'returns accepted' seller unless it's CAC'd (even then it's rare but I have never returned a coin)
2: I pay within minutes every time.
It would take a Herculean effort to undeniably be the worst bidder in the history of Ebay. One would have to make death threats against the seller before the auction even ended, demand shipping to an unverified address in Afghanistan that appears to be a bomb crater on Google Earth, mail a bad check smeared with anthrax spores (2001 style!), file a chargeback with Paypal, then neg the seller because the PCGS/CAC silver trime he received was much smaller than it looked on his monitor, which was the display screen on the inside of an enemy tank that's pointed at the seller's house right now. Even then, it would be a close call with 100,000 other bidders. You underestimate the depth of the internet cesspool, my friends.
Wow! I nominate you the King of Hyperbole.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
You should hear what I think about USPS/UPS/FedEx.
Hard concept to grasp no doubt, but not everyone sells on eBay.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
You don't have to sell on eBay too know this. It was very controversial when rolled out. It's been discussed in this forum as well as on eBay forums. Most buyers know it because it gives them impunity in leaving feedback of their own.
My remark was a reference to an old forum classic thread where an Ebay buyer negged a seller for sending a half dime that was smaller than expected based on what it looked like on his monitor - as if they come in different sizes.
Everyone thought it was hilarious except the person who posted it and got hit with the neg.
I have a negative from a buyer who was disappointed that the coin was so small.
I got a negative from a buyer for an item he didn't even buy. He bought an item. He then made a really low ball offers on another item, 99 cents. I explained that I couldn't sell a 99 cent item without losing money. He left me a negative on the other item saying I was rude to him in refusing his offer.