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Possibly Counterfeit 1914 Matte Proof Cent

I came across this coin on eBay. It looked cool, so I decided to see if it had a True view on PCGS's database. Upon entering the certification number, PCGS said that it was invalid. I probably checked more than fifteen times to make sure I was correct.
I'll include screenshots and an eBay link.

Young Numismatist


  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sometimes there are errors in the look up system. ;)

    If the owner of the slab contacts PCGS they can get it corrected.

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,845 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can't bring it up either, but I don't see anything in the coin that raises red flags. I'd wait a day or so and try again, and perhaps contact PCGS if needed.

    Young Numismatist, Coin Photographer.

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting; bar code reads OK:

  • P0CKETCHANGEP0CKETCHANGE Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Another potential cause is if the slab was sent to PCGS for a Regrade. The old cert number would be retired and, if the seller were using a photo of the prior slab, it’d come up as invalid. An edge case, perhaps.

    That said, I avoid that particular seller because of their listing practices. They once posted an eBay listing for a coin I had bought from them months prior. More recently, they sent me a different coin than was pictured—same year and grade, but different coin. I promptly returned it thru eBay.

    Nothing is as expensive as free money.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don’t remember having seen a counterfeit Matte Proof Lincoln cent and the picture doesn’t give me reason to think this is one.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • kazkaz Posts: 9,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Listing says "you will receive the nicer of two in stock." Wonder if they tell the next buyer they got the less attractive coin?

  • RelaxnRelaxn Posts: 859 ✭✭✭✭

    Mechanical error and PCGS pulled it from system? Idk just thinking

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 said:
    Interesting; bar code reads OK:

    pcgs cert lookup app won't pull it up. says invalid. tried multiple times and restarting the app. fwiw

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 20,725 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coin is good and the problem (if any) is on PCGS's end.

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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,318 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't know how certifiedcitynet sells any coins. They use stock photos for very expensive coins and have some very strange listing practices.
    I don't think the coin pictured is actually the one for sale.

    Collector, occasional seller

  • dunkleosteus430dunkleosteus430 Posts: 471 ✭✭✭✭

    Okay. I'm not very experienced with purchasing coins online, much less expensive ones. Thanks everyone for the feedback!

    Young Numismatist

  • MonsterCoinzMonsterCoinz Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ChrisH821 said:
    I don't know how certifiedcitynet sells any coins. They use stock photos for very expensive coins and have some very strange listing practices.
    I don't think the coin pictured is actually the one for sale.

    I doubt any of the photos in their listings are of the coin they are selling. They 'have 2 in stock but you'll get the nicer one' basically means 'we have 1 in stock but here's a picture of another one'.

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  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sometimes PCGS will pull certs if a coin is stolen, but I think the message is different and says to contact them? Can't remember offhand.

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  • ElmerFusterpuckElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,627 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "You will receive the nicest of two in stock, not necessarily the imaged coin." Saw this on more than one listing.

    That's a huge reason for me to never buy or even look at listings from this seller. Quite a few of their descriptions within their listings are piled deep with snark. Guess they have it out for the ones that deal in moderns.

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree.
    Why have stock photos of super expensive and scarce coins?
    (Really, why have stock photos at all, but that's for another thread...)


  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,813 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful coin in the OP... I wonder about the likelihood of actually getting it... Whenever I see this from a seller, I'm thinking "bait and switch".

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