1958 50c Obverse Die Clash FS-402- Where's the Clash Question

FlyingAl

I've been looking at this variety on CoinFacts, but I can't for the life of me figure out where the clash is. Any help is appreciated!

CoinFacts link: https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1958-50c-fs-402-obverse-die-clash/808156

Image:

jesbroken

Here if this helps, I don't see it either.
Jim

LanceNewmanOCC

the 402s can be notoriously difficult to spot, especially from images. i'm not saying the clash is there, but you can see the nose clashed at the feather tips on the reverse so there is a strong chance it is there on the obv. there are many times they are really only visible by rotating in-hand and even then, some are challenging. this is why i harp on about secondary pups in so many threads when trying to identify a die state of a variety where the main pups are tough or near impossible to see. (the vammers probably think phantom Es here)

thanks for posting the link to the CF page. makes the life for those of us active in a lot of threads SOOOO much easier.

there is a fair amount of die marriages so you can find one side clashed while the other is not for both sides and/or polished.

you seem to know what to look for so i'll post images for posterity.

FlyingAl

Thanks all. I couldn't believe they would give an FS number to such a minor variety while so many others go asking but apparently they did, hence why I thought I had to be missing something. It's too minor to identify for me based on the images @LanceNewmanOCC posted, so I doubt many collectors seek this one out. Thanks!

LanceNewmanOCC

@FlyingAl said:
Thanks all. I couldn't believe they would give an FS number to such a minor variety while so many others go asking but apparently they did, hence why I thought I had to be missing something. It's too minor to identify for me based on the images @LanceNewmanOCC posted, so I doubt many collectors seek this one out. Thanks!

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yes and no. sometimes images/lighting can hide pretty major things. it continually amazes me even after seeing all that i have.

i'm not saying this is one of them. it is probably a minor one and there are different dies for at least a lot of them. different positions, strengths, states etc.

Mr_Spud

I’m not 100% sure, but I believe the orientation of the clash in an overlay picture should be like this. I’m not seeing the clashes though, just the die polish lines from when they tried to polish off the crash marks. Maybe if the coin is tilted the clash marks show up or something like that.

Edited to say that I agree with what LanceNewmanOCC said, I didn’t read his post till after I posted this and the next post.

Mr_Spud

http://www.maddieclashes.com/fifty-cent-overlays/ Only lists this one clash for 1958 Franklins

And here’s the Franklin Half overlay picture from the same site

LanceNewmanOCC

@Mr_Spud said:
I’m not 100% sure, but I believe the orientation of the clash in an overlay picture should be like this. I’m not seeing the clashes though, just the die polish lines from when they tried to polish off the crash marks. Maybe if the coin is tilted the clash marks show up or something like that.

Edited to say that I agree with what LanceNewmanOCC said, I didn’t read his post till after I posted this and the next post.

and i didn't look closely at the first overlay above.

yours is accurate for the 401/402s. thanks

ricko

Traces of the eagle can be seen on the magnified images... but barely. Frankly, if I were not looking for it... I would likely miss it completely. Cheers, RickO