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Real or fake 1972 DDO Lincoln

VetterVetter Posts: 789 ✭✭✭✭✭
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A friend of mine showed me this coin that he’s had for a long time. I’m not very good with Lincoln cents so I’m asking for your opinion. I’m leaning towards fake. No reason why, but something about it makes me think it not real. What should the weight range be on it? Thanks

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,388 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think real but I would want to weight it. Crisp details for an EF weight should be about 3.1 grams

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    just for convenience. MAX
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    MarkKelleyMarkKelley Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My gut says it's genuine.

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    silverpopsilverpop Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭✭✭

    good chance it's real

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/AtqXN9yPBzhpvP3TA

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    FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It appears genuine to me.

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    telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks genuine but weird color. Perhaps it's the lighting. Weigh it to be sure but I see no obvious red flags


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    GaCoinGuyGaCoinGuy Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭✭

    The weight should be right around 3.11 grams, I think.

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    MWallaceMWallace Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is a list of die markers.

    varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20Doubled%20Dies%20Vol%202/1972PDDO001.htm

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sure looks authentic to me..... A little wear, but I do not see anything that shouts fake. Cheers, RickO

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,503 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks OK to me

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,891 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There's something off about the letters. It might be the photo, but I have concerns about it. Look at the "WE" and the "S" in "TRUST". The letters are oddly thin.

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2022 3:50PM

    Check for the die gouge on the reverse.

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,147 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    There's something off about the letters. It might be the photo, but I have concerns about it. Look at the "WE" and the "S" in "TRUST". The letters are oddly thin.

    Agree, the whole obverse seems a bit off. I’m suspicious that it may die struck from a genuine coin. But I’m no expert, and only looking at pics on my obsolete iPhone.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,891 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerguy21D said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    There's something off about the letters. It might be the photo, but I have concerns about it. Look at the "WE" and the "S" in "TRUST". The letters are oddly thin.

    Agree, the whole obverse seems a bit off. I’m suspicious that it may die struck from a genuine coin. But I’m no expert, and only looking at pics on my obsolete iPhone.

    Agree. It also has the color of the Chinese fakes.

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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do not see the die scratches or gouge, I'm suspicious.

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    DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't like it myself. Feels off.

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    Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,292 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It just has a "strange" look to it.

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,408 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:
    I do not see the die scratches or gouge, I'm suspicious.

    Because it isn't there. The coin is counterfeit.

    Pete

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't typically go out of my way in looking for this particular date, but my first thought was that I don't think I've ever seen a '72 DDO in less than AU50 condition and with at least some mint luster remaining.

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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 21,908 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe it’s the photo, but my immediate reaction is that something about that piece looks off to me.

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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,730 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My spidey-sense says bad.

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    gonzergonzer Posts: 2,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Amazing detail on the Memorial for such a "worn" coin.The aging looks artificial.

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    VetterVetter Posts: 789 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I tried to get a good picture of the die gouge, but this was the best I could get. It is there so I’m perplexed. I’m still leaning towards a fake, but has anyone seen a fake with the gouge?

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the die gouge is there I would say it's genuine. ;)

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 8,078 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not rare enough to be faked in low grade.

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    VetterVetter Posts: 789 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Another picture

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    FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree that it looks a bit off.
    I have a feeling it's real though.
    I have looked for a nice circulated example for years.
    Not many to be found.

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,408 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I thought counterfeit. Then saw the pics of the die gouge.

    Now I don't know for sure. It just might be genuine. It's awful dark.

    Time to submit.

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    FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would love to pocket wear that one for a few days and send it in.
    Could be very nice.

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    FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The little wear that is visible is perfectly matched to a pocket worn piece by the way

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    VetterVetter Posts: 789 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just got word back from ANACS. It’s real, graded AU50.

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for the update! :)

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Vetter said:
    I just got word back from ANACS. It’s real, graded AU50.

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    thanks for update and glad to see it worked out.

    i've watched this thread off and on and i think the only think i have to contribute at this point is that those image(s) made and/or broke this situation which should have been pretty simple.

    that is to say, if you have the ability to provide better pictures, it may save you (and us/others) a lot of time and money in the long run. fwiw, my iphone 6s, i paid $60 for it (3+ years ago or so) and it takes wonderful pics for the price and convenience.

    the analysis here is how much are you willing to spend (if necessary, since i don't know what you are currently using) vs how much in grading fees you will have to spend (not that having this graded is a bad thing) in order to encourage upgrading imaging technique and/or equipment.

    also, it could be the lighting. did you use ambient light? let us know and we can help. :)

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    duck620duck620 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭

    I believe it's the real deal Congrats!

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