Large Cent Type Set (1793-1857)
hbarbee
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My specialty is ‘Lincoln Cents with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes and Proof (1909-Present)’ and except for a few pieces in that set that to me are “unobtanium”, the set is complete. Therefore, I decided to add a quality type set prior to 1909 to show the historical progression of designs.
I have previously posted a couple of discussions related to this journey. Now I am at a crossroads because adding the last three examples in the set will be costly even in lower grades. Following is a link to the registry set. Please have a look at the TrueViews for the 4 pieces:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset/289692
I am proudest of the 1808. It is the crown jewel of my entire collection. It has quite a history as detailed in the following link to its last auction in 2017:
For any EAC experts out there, I would like your opinions on grades for the 1797 and 1808 based on EAC standards, which differ significantly from the TPGs. Even though having the coin in hand is important for grading, I can say the TrueView images are very accurate. I do have a grade for the 1808 from the highly respected EAC dealer from whom I purchased the coin.
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Amazing coins! reading the SB auction notes, Jackman the first known owner, inherited 230k in bonds when his mother died in 1914, worth 6.6 million today. Apparently he never worked so he could focus on collecting.
If I had the Noyes book for the 1808 with his condition census, I guess I would have the EAC grade nailed. As it is I only have the Noyes die variety book, which was published in 1991.
Your coin appears to be the plate coin from that book. He lists three pieces in MS-65 with Naftzger listed for all three of them.
I don't see this piece as an EAC MS-65 because of the discoloration areas. I am guessing that it is MS-60+. Please note that this is the way Bill Noyes grades, not me. The coin is dripping with original luster, and should be in the MS-62 range, using the EAC standard IMO.
The 1797 does not appear to have as much luster as the 1808. My EAC guess would be in the MS-61 or 62 range.
Four very nice coins!
Looks like the EAC experts grade it MS 61
Walkerguy21D, that is an interesting find. What is the date of that publication?
The dealer I mentioned graded it as MS63 based on EAC "contemporary standards". He is well respected in the early copper world, his shop is in Austin.
Beautiful coins!
LIBERTY SEATED DIMES WITH MAJOR VARIETIES CIRCULATION STRIKES (1837-1891) digital album
Gorgeous!
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Published in 2000, but likely graded years before, by Del Bland.
And yes grades do vary among the specialists. A certain colonel I know is considerably looser than say Bob Grellman or Tom Reynolds.
Yes, they do vary and are not intended to be comparable to PCGS. I am working to educate myself in this area since I now have quite a bit invested in early copper. I recently joined EAC. Also came across the following short video which is an excellent discussion on the subject. Based on what I have come across, I think the 1797 would be a 60 minimum or maybe a bit higher. The 1808 should be a 63 maximum. Of course, this is for grading purposes within the EAC community. The market value will be as PCGS graded them and perhaps more because they have solid eye appeal. Hope you enjoy the video, if you have not already seen it.
Great coins! Thank you for sharing.
As Walkerguy said EAC grades can vary. Sometimes widely like the TPG's.
Love 1808 cents. The attached bad pics are of an old coin of mine bought raw. EAC 62. Graded NGC 66 BR almost 20yrs ago. Great luster and light brown color. Not well made. Your coin is beautiful.
My 1866 Philly Mint Set
Nice coin, I like
Nic, that is a fine 1808. Do you still have the coin?
NGC census is 2 at MS66 and 1 at MS67. I noticed that the MS67 was last auctioned in 2020 from the Miller collection. That was the same auction that my 1797 example last appeared.