@telephoto1 said:
I'm not convinced it's PVC. I think this was either a dipped coin that was improperly rinsed or a natural coin that was stored in a high humidity/moisture environment...and the toning and verdigris grew on it post slabbing and post bean. That said, how much time are you willing to put into an uber common coin?
Toning and verdigris are surface reactions involving the metal. The green would be a part of the metal. Here it looks the residue is merely sitting on the metal.
I’m open to other interpretations but the fact that two posters (you and 1 agreeing poster) makes me curious. Have you ever seen dip residue turn that shade of bright green? I haven’t. I’ve seen blacks, various orange-orange brown shades, and various shades of brown but not bright green.
It doesn't have to be dip residue or PVC. All PVC is not green and all green is not PVC. I was not agreeing that it had to be dip. I was agreeing that it didn't have to be PVC and simply isn't worth the cost of trying to rectify.
Taking tuition is tough. But a reality in RCI. Been there myself.
Years ago lol when I did BU silver rolls I had a special metal basket when running a roll thru the wash (dipping) like a new car at the dealership. Worked well for me. Never cared for toners I like coins as pristine, brilliant, white when came from mint. Now that’s originality!
@telephoto1 said:
I'm not convinced it's PVC. I think this was either a dipped coin that was improperly rinsed or a natural coin that was stored in a high humidity/moisture environment...and the toning and verdigris grew on it post slabbing and post bean. That said, how much time are you willing to put into an uber common coin?
Toning and verdigris are surface reactions involving the metal. The green would be a part of the metal. Here it looks the residue is merely sitting on the metal.
I’m open to other interpretations but the fact that two posters (you and 1 agreeing poster) makes me curious. Have you ever seen dip residue turn that shade of bright green? I haven’t. I’ve seen blacks, various orange-orange brown shades, and various shades of brown but not bright green.
It doesn't have to be dip residue or PVC. All PVC is not green and all green is not PVC. I was not agreeing that it had to be dip. I was agreeing that it didn't have to be PVC and simply isn't worth the cost of trying to rectify.
...and to be clear, I wasn't saying it HAD to be dip, I said that imo it was either improperly dipped OR kept in a moist environment post slabbing/CACing.
@telephoto1 said:
I'm not convinced it's PVC. I think this was either a dipped coin that was improperly rinsed or a natural coin that was stored in a high humidity/moisture environment...and the toning and verdigris grew on it post slabbing and post bean. That said, how much time are you willing to put into an uber common coin?
Toning and verdigris are surface reactions involving the metal. The green would be a part of the metal. Here it looks the residue is merely sitting on the metal.
I’m open to other interpretations but the fact that two posters (you and 1 agreeing poster) makes me curious. Have you ever seen dip residue turn that shade of bright green? I haven’t. I’ve seen blacks, various orange-orange brown shades, and various shades of brown but not bright green.
It doesn't have to be dip residue or PVC. All PVC is not green and all green is not PVC. I was not agreeing that it had to be dip. I was agreeing that it didn't have to be PVC and simply isn't worth the cost of trying to rectify.
...and to be clear, I wasn't saying it HAD to be dip, I said that imo it was either improperly dipped OR kept in a moist environment post slabbing/CACing.
Maybe. I don't know. Those newer slabs are pretty airtight generally. I wouldn't be surprised if that little spot was there all along. But there's just no way to know.
If it was cheap enough I would do PCGS the favor and crack it out to conserve it myself.
It would also be doing the community a favor rather than kicking the can down the road for someone else to discover.
@ChrisH821 said:
If it was cheap enough I would do PCGS the favor and crack it out to conserve it myself.
It would also be doing the community a favor rather than kicking the can down the road for someone else to discover.
I totally disagree here. If anyone should do the favor, it's PCGS, not the consumer. Good faith goes a long way if they decided to send Aspie a check for his costs and take it out of the market. Not everyone can throw $40 or $50 away. Maybe someone here commenting on such should buy the coin from him and do it. Make a video smashing it to bits and post it here... Probably no takers on that though.
@ChrisH821 said:
If it was cheap enough I would do PCGS the favor and crack it out to conserve it myself.
It would also be doing the community a favor rather than kicking the can down the road for someone else to discover.
I totally disagree here. If anyone should do the favor, it's PCGS, not the consumer. Good faith goes a long way if they decided to send Aspie a check for his costs and take it out of the market. Not everyone can throw $40 or $50 away. Maybe someone here commenting on such should buy the coin from him and do it. Make a video smashing it to bits and post it here... Probably no takers on that though.
Please note the "If it was cheap enough" presumption in my post.
Returning it is still the best option, but some other poor guy or gal is going to end up with it, probably a similar situation, and also be unhappy. My opinion is that it should be removed from the marketplace one way or another, my way falls under the "or another" half of that.
I would argue that cracking it and self-conserving is not throwing away $40 or $50... he would still have the coin, with the toning that I assume he bought it for, and it wouldn't have the green gunk on it. The only difference is that it is no longer in a PCGS holder, but at MS64 does that matter?(I realize if for registry that would matter)
@ChrisH821 said:
If it was cheap enough I would do PCGS the favor and crack it out to conserve it myself.
It would also be doing the community a favor rather than kicking the can down the road for someone else to discover.
I totally disagree here. If anyone should do the favor, it's PCGS, not the consumer. Good faith goes a long way if they decided to send Aspie a check for his costs and take it out of the market. Not everyone can throw $40 or $50 away. Maybe someone here commenting on such should buy the coin from him and do it. Make a video smashing it to bits and post it here... Probably no takers on that though.
Please note the "If it was cheap enough" presumption in my post.
Returning it is still the best option, but some other poor guy or gal is going to end up with it, probably a similar situation, and also be unhappy. My opinion is that it should be removed from the marketplace one way or another, my way falls under the "or another" half of that.
I would argue that cracking it and self-conserving is not throwing away $40 or $50... he would still have the coin, with the toning that I assume he bought it for, and it wouldn't have the green gunk on it. The only difference is that it is no longer in a PCGS holder, but at MS64 does that matter?(I realize if for registry that would matter)
That green gunk looks hard. I do not going to wash away. Looks more like verdigris than PVC.
I returned the coin and sent my pictures to the seller, they were very gracious in accepting the return and explanation for doing so.
To clarify, The seller had sent me a lower offer on the coin, I simply had it on my watch list and accepted their offer. I do not know how to dip coins
I agree with and fully support the explanations that the coin turned in the holder. I absolutely do not believe that either grading service or CAC saw the coin with the guacamole lip.
Thank you for the assessments and information.
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It doesn't have to be dip residue or PVC. All PVC is not green and all green is not PVC. I was not agreeing that it had to be dip. I was agreeing that it didn't have to be PVC and simply isn't worth the cost of trying to rectify.
Taking tuition is tough. But a reality in RCI. Been there myself.
Years ago lol when I did BU silver rolls I had a special metal basket when running a roll thru the wash (dipping) like a new car at the dealership. Worked well for me. Never cared for toners I like coins as pristine, brilliant, white when came from mint. Now that’s originality!
Maybe JA thought good ole Ben just ate some guacamole?
This is exactly what I thought,
http://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/publishedset.aspx?s=142753
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
...and to be clear, I wasn't saying it HAD to be dip, I said that imo it was either improperly dipped OR kept in a moist environment post slabbing/CACing.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
Maybe. I don't know. Those newer slabs are pretty airtight generally. I wouldn't be surprised if that little spot was there all along. But there's just no way to know.
If it was cheap enough I would do PCGS the favor and crack it out to conserve it myself.
It would also be doing the community a favor rather than kicking the can down the road for someone else to discover.
Collector, occasional seller
I totally disagree here. If anyone should do the favor, it's PCGS, not the consumer. Good faith goes a long way if they decided to send Aspie a check for his costs and take it out of the market. Not everyone can throw $40 or $50 away. Maybe someone here commenting on such should buy the coin from him and do it. Make a video smashing it to bits and post it here... Probably no takers on that though.
Please note the "If it was cheap enough" presumption in my post.
Returning it is still the best option, but some other poor guy or gal is going to end up with it, probably a similar situation, and also be unhappy. My opinion is that it should be removed from the marketplace one way or another, my way falls under the "or another" half of that.
I would argue that cracking it and self-conserving is not throwing away $40 or $50... he would still have the coin, with the toning that I assume he bought it for, and it wouldn't have the green gunk on it. The only difference is that it is no longer in a PCGS holder, but at MS64 does that matter?(I realize if for registry that would matter)
Collector, occasional seller
That green gunk looks hard. I do not going to wash away. Looks more like verdigris than PVC.
I returned the coin and sent my pictures to the seller, they were very gracious in accepting the return and explanation for doing so.
To clarify, The seller had sent me a lower offer on the coin, I simply had it on my watch list and accepted their offer. I do not know how to dip coins
I agree with and fully support the explanations that the coin turned in the holder. I absolutely do not believe that either grading service or CAC saw the coin with the guacamole lip.
Thank you for the assessments and information.
http://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/publishedset.aspx?s=142753
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
I’ll be one of the few to also suggest it’s verdegris, (copper salt) and it’s likely stuck there for good.