1916 Satin? Lincoln Wheat -Is it a proof-keeper?

rodeo514

Ive got a nice 1916 Wheat, It has some shine to it, kind of satiny. Could this be a proof? The wheat stocks are lovely.I am wondering if it was restored- would it b worth grading. By photogrde,could be au58 or ms61. Please help

cameonut2011

You should send it under the Walkthrough tier at PCGS.

rodeo514

Is this doubling on the T? none Known

cameonut2011

Also, I recommend a trip to your local optometrist office. Not to be rude, but if you think that is anywhere near AU 58 much less mint state, I would like to sell you a few dozen superb gem bu 1909-S vdb and 1914-D cents.

MarkKelley

If you can get ten cents for this coin, you'd better take the money and run.

291fifth

You really need to learn how to grade. The coin you show is Fine details, excessive marks for the grade. In that condition it would make little difference if it started out as a proof or not.

AUandAG

One clear picture of the front and one of the back is all that would be needed to discern whether or not it is a proof and the approximate grade. Close ups like yours are not needed in this instance.
bob

FredWeinberg

Four wheels and an engine – it must be a Rolls-Royce!

MarkW63

This might help.
http://lincolncentresource.com/Lincoln_Cent_Grading_Guide.html

OldEastside

Well it is a 1916

Steve

LanceNewmanOCC

here we go again. the threads are boiling up from the depths of the numismatic ninth circle....

MarkW63

Let me say this about the Lincoln Cent in the OP (original post)
Its in pretty nice condition for a circulated business strike RAW coin!
But its not anywhere even close to great condition, nor MS or AU.
Its not considered a low mintage coin for its time period with 131,833,677 minted.
I'd estimate the Red Book retail value of it somewhere around $2.00 to $4.00
Of course the Blue Book wholesale value would be around $.50 to a $1.00
Here is one I found that was stated as being MS (Mint State) but due to the color changes over time I myself would likely call it UNC (Uncirculated) now.
In any case this one could be considered exceptional for a RAW 1916 Lincoln Cent, or to say a really nice upgrade to the 16 I have in my collection.

ChrisH821

https://www.pcgs.com/photograde#/Lincoln/Grades
VF20 or so

FlyingAl

I'm surprised the OP thought that his coin was one that was never struck by the US mint. Satin proofs were only produced in 1936 and as a finish for select patterns and some gold proofs.

ChrisH821

@FlyingAl said:
I'm surprised the OP thought that his coin was one that was never struck by the US mint. Satin proofs were only produced in 1936 and as a finish for select patterns and some gold proofs.

I assumed he meant matte proof, either way it doesn't really matter in this case.

MarkKelley

Are we really still discussing this?

cameonut2011

@MarkKelley said:
Are we really still discussing this?

At least it’s not a 1917. Then we could all discuss Breen’s destructive lies and fake rarities.

JBK

That coin is "proof" - proof of something....

TurtleCat

Maybe he found it in a landfill?

MarkW63

@MarkKelley said:
Are we really still discussing this?

Well, my intentions at this point is more about education, than a discussion about the coin is or isn't whatever.
I mean at one point in time, none of us knew what a proof coin was, and early on we all had misconceptions of the coin collecting hobby. So, yes! the forum gets hit with trolls, but its also thought to be a educational barrier breaker for those who are less in the know of the coin collecting world.

MarkKelley

But he's clearly not listening to us.

MarkW63

@MarkKelley said:
But he's clearly not listening to us.

Now that's a problem! because when that happens it becomes a total waste of time!
There are those that don't like to hear what goes against what their thinking is on a subject.

jmlanzaf

@MarkKelley said:
But he's clearly not listening to us.

He hasn't really responded

MFeld

@MarkW63 said:

@MarkKelley said:
But he's clearly not listening to us.

Now that's a problem! because when that happens it becomes a total waste of time!
There are those that don't like to hear what goes against what their thinking is on a subject.

Without reference to any particular poster...There are those that don't like to hear what goes against what their wishing is on a subject.

rodeo514

@AUandAG said:
One clear picture of the front and one of the back is all that would be needed to discern whether or not it is a proof and the approximate grade. Close ups like yours are not needed in this instance.
bob

Ok thank you

rodeo514

@AUandAG said:
One clear picture of the front and one of the back is all that would be needed to discern whether or not it is a proof and the approximate grade. Close ups like yours are not needed in this instance.
bob

Ok thank you

@jmlanzaf said:

@MarkKelley said:
But he's clearly not listening to us.

He hasn't really responded

I'm listening .my notifications were off.Im not a troll nor a HE . THANKS

rodeo514

@MFeld said:

@MarkW63 said:

@MarkKelley said:
But he's clearly not listening to us.

Now that's a problem! because when that happens it becomes a total waste of time!
There are those that don't like to hear what goes against what their thinking is on a subject.

Without reference to any particular poster...There are those that don't like to hear what goes against what their wishing is on a subject.

Not wishing,just asking . Your knowledge is greater than mine.im reading the sparky comments.im a newbie .I'm trying. Why be so assumptive that I'm wishing.Arent we all looking for a find? I guess I just don't get the male ego .Maybe consider the OP as a woman and think kindly how you could help before you respond.

rodeo514

@jmlanzaf said:

@MarkKelley said:
But he's clearly not listening to us.

He hasn't really responded

Shes responding! 😆

MFeld

@rodeo514 said:

@MFeld said:

@MarkW63 said:

@MarkKelley said:
But he's clearly not listening to us.

Now that's a problem! because when that happens it becomes a total waste of time!
There are those that don't like to hear what goes against what their thinking is on a subject.

Without reference to any particular poster...There are those that don't like to hear what goes against what their wishing is on a subject.

Not wishing,just asking . Your knowledge is greater than mine.im reading the sparky comments.im a newbie .I'm trying. Why be so assumptive that I'm wishing.Arent we all looking for a find? I guess I just don't get the male ego .Maybe consider the OP as a woman and think kindly how you could help before you respond.

Please note the part of my post that reads “Without reference to any particular poster...”. It’s a very frequent occurrence.

MarkW63

@rodeo514 said:

@MFeld said:

@MarkW63 said:

@MarkKelley said:
But he's clearly not listening to us.

Now that's a problem! because when that happens it becomes a total waste of time!
There are those that don't like to hear what goes against what their thinking is on a subject.

Without reference to any particular poster...There are those that don't like to hear what goes against what their wishing is on a subject.

Not wishing,just asking . Your knowledge is greater than mine.im reading the sparky comments.im a newbie .I'm trying. Why be so assumptive that I'm wishing.Arent we all looking for a find? I guess I just don't get the male ego .Maybe consider the OP as a woman and think kindly how you could help before you respond.

Keep in mind that in your absents, there were lots of post that was just questioning your possible intent. The content of your title post and it form of content comes across forums like this so often that were just perpetrated as a joke. So, it seemed you may have so to speak "Dropped A Joke & Ran" (Hit & Run).
I hope it helps that you understand that.
Mfeld seems to have only expanded on my comment and so it was just forum member's conversations within this thread.
So, if your still here then lets just circle back to content on the topic of your coin!
Do, you see the what & why to the conclusion on what your coin is & is not?

jonathanb

OK, since you say you're trying, let's start over.

You asked originally if this was a proof. Something must have given you an idea that it might be a proof. For example, you didn't ask if it was solid gold. It isn't solid gold. It also isn't a proof. It is as clearly not-a-proof as it is not-gold.

What gave you the idea that this even might possibly be a proof?

rodeo514

@jmlanzaf said:

@MarkKelley said:
But he's clearly not listening to us.

He hasn't really responded

Shes responding! 😆 > @MarkW63 said:

@rodeo514 said:

@MFeld said:

@MarkW63 said:

@MarkKelley said:
But he's clearly not listening to us.

Now that's a problem! because when that happens it becomes a total waste of time!
There are those that don't like to hear what goes against what their thinking is on a subject.

Without reference to any particular poster...There are those that don't like to hear what goes against what their wishing is on a subject.

Not wishing,just asking . Your knowledge is greater than mine.im reading the sparky comments.im a newbie .I'm trying. Why be so assumptive that I'm wishing.Arent we all looking for a find? I guess I just don't get the male ego .Maybe consider the OP as a woman and think kindly how you could help before you respond.

Keep in mind that in your absents, there were lots of post that was just questioning your possible intent. The content of your title post and it form of content comes across forums like this so often that were just perpetrated as a joke. So, it seemed you may have so to speak "Dropped A Joke & Ran" (Hit & Run).
I hope it helps that you understand that.
Mfeld seems to have only expanded on my comment and so it was just forum member's conversations within this thread.
So, if your still here then lets just circle back to content on the topic of your coin!
Do, you see the what & why to the conclusion on what your coin is & is not?

Yes I see the conclusion. For a coin that's 104 years old,I considered asking the group if the satiny finish could be signs of a proof ( I'm ashamed to be so dumb) According to some, I clearly need a better education before I ask such a dumb question .Machine doubling vs.real double die is another course I need to be educated on.I better not ask on those either until I research more.
I guess I should just throw it in the trash if it's only worth 1cent .or throw it back into circulation.

JBK

No, it's not dumb to ask, if you are willing to learn, which you appear to be willing to do.

rodeo514

@jonathanb said:
OK, since you say you're trying, let's start over.

You asked originally if this was a proof. Something must have given you an idea that it might be a proof. For example, you didn't ask if it was solid gold. It isn't solid gold. It also isn't a proof. It is as clearly not-a-proof as it is not-gold.

What gave you the idea that this even might possibly be a proof?

Comparing this coin to the others that are close in year,I noticed this as having a different look and texture,a sheen that is not on the others.I was looking for an explanation of what it could represent. If you told me it might be gold,send it in ,I'd expect to trust this group to let me know.

jmlanzaf

@rodeo514 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@MarkKelley said:
But he's clearly not listening to us.

He hasn't really responded

Shes responding! 😆 > @MarkW63 said:

@rodeo514 said:

@MFeld said:

@MarkW63 said:

@MarkKelley said:
But he's clearly not listening to us.

Now that's a problem! because when that happens it becomes a total waste of time!
There are those that don't like to hear what goes against what their thinking is on a subject.

Without reference to any particular poster...There are those that don't like to hear what goes against what their wishing is on a subject.

Not wishing,just asking . Your knowledge is greater than mine.im reading the sparky comments.im a newbie .I'm trying. Why be so assumptive that I'm wishing.Arent we all looking for a find? I guess I just don't get the male ego .Maybe consider the OP as a woman and think kindly how you could help before you respond.

Keep in mind that in your absents, there were lots of post that was just questioning your possible intent. The content of your title post and it form of content comes across forums like this so often that were just perpetrated as a joke. So, it seemed you may have so to speak "Dropped A Joke & Ran" (Hit & Run).
I hope it helps that you understand that.
Mfeld seems to have only expanded on my comment and so it was just forum member's conversations within this thread.
So, if your still here then lets just circle back to content on the topic of your coin!
Do, you see the what & why to the conclusion on what your coin is & is not?

Yes I see the conclusion. For a coin that's 104 years old,I considered asking the group if the satiny finish could be signs of a proof ( I'm ashamed to be so dumb) According to some, I clearly need a better education before I ask such a dumb question .Machine doubling vs.real double die is another course I need to be educated on.I better not ask on those either until I research more.
I guess I should just throw it in the trash if it's only worth 1cent .or throw it back into circulation.

Worth more like 3 cents. Ignore the curmudgeonly. They aren't worth your time. Ask ask the questions you want. Others need the answers also.

The curmudgeons only think they were born knowing everything.

rodeo514

@JBK said:
No, it's not dumb to ask, if you are willing to learn, which you appear to be willing to do.

I am willing to learn but it's a lot .
Is using the "quote" key the right way to reply?

rodeo514

@jmlanzaf said:

@rodeo514 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@MarkKelley said:
But he's clearly not listening to us.

He hasn't really responded

Shes responding! 😆 > @MarkW63 said:

@rodeo514 said:

@MFeld said:

@MarkW63 said:

@MarkKelley said:
But he's clearly not listening to us.

Now that's a problem! because when that happens it becomes a total waste of time!
There are those that don't like to hear what goes against what their thinking is on a subject.

Without reference to any particular poster...There are those that don't like to hear what goes against what their wishing is on a subject.

Not wishing,just asking . Your knowledge is greater than mine.im reading the sparky comments.im a newbie .I'm trying. Why be so assumptive that I'm wishing.Arent we all looking for a find? I guess I just don't get the male ego .Maybe consider the OP as a woman and think kindly how you could help before you respond.

Keep in mind that in your absents, there were lots of post that was just questioning your possible intent. The content of your title post and it form of content comes across forums like this so often that were just perpetrated as a joke. So, it seemed you may have so to speak "Dropped A Joke & Ran" (Hit & Run).
I hope it helps that you understand that.
Mfeld seems to have only expanded on my comment and so it was just forum member's conversations within this thread.
So, if your still here then lets just circle back to content on the topic of your coin!
Do, you see the what & why to the conclusion on what your coin is & is not?

Yes I see the conclusion. For a coin that's 104 years old,I considered asking the group if the satiny finish could be signs of a proof ( I'm ashamed to be so dumb) According to some, I clearly need a better education before I ask such a dumb question .Machine doubling vs.real double die is another course I need to be educated on.I better not ask on those either until I research more.
I guess I should just throw it in the trash if it's only worth 1cent .or throw it back into circulation.

Worth more like 3 cents. Ignore the curmudgeonly. They aren't worth your time. Ask ask the questions you want. Others need the answers also.

The curmudgeons only think they were born knowing everything.

Hahaha I love you. YES,and no apologies necessary!

FlyingAl

@rodeo514 said:

@JBK said:
No, it's not dumb to ask, if you are willing to learn, which you appear to be willing to do.

I am willing to learn but it's a lot .
Is using the "quote" key the right way to reply?

Yes, or you can use their name, like this : @rodeo514

rodeo514

Thanks @FlyingAl whoot whoot

MarkW63

Often times an old browned tones copper cent has on its surface residue of what I'll call a copper reaction to long term exposure of circulation, if someone would say take a type of buffing cloth with no chemicals and just buff the coin it can cause it to have a brownish polished look, sort of like a pair of polished brown leather shoes. To a non collector it might have what they consider good "Eye Appeal" but to a collector this might be considered as CLEANED which is a BAD thing!
I'm not saying your coin has been cleaned, I'm just thinking that the appearance your describing could (??) be that of a buffed coin.
Satin, Matt, Frosty, Cameo, what does this look like? (it'll be interesting to the breakdown of these from others on the forum, I only mentioned them as in generality of terms).

Here the fields around the figure is brilliant luster, the figure is frosty a form of satin.
So, if a proof was struck with the entire surface of the coin being satin then it wouldn't have the brilliant field (or background)
This is a recent coin I acquired (I have no idea how the image came out this good)

This is also my coin (It wasn't nearly as photogenic for some reason)
Then their is what's called reverse proofs, these have the figure brilliant and the fields frosty or satin in appearance.

MarkW63

@rodeo514
The depth of the learning in this hobby is nearly inconceivable, they're people who's been into this hobby for decades and tomorrow they may come across something in the depths of the hobby that they didn't know.
A person can spend months leaning about Lincoln cents and still be clueless about Morgan Dollars, or Mercury Dimes, its fascinating, but at the same time it bottomless.
What's unfortunate in this day & time is millions of people have gotten so much misleading information about the coin collecting hobby as a whole.

TurtleCat

I’m glad you are here to learn and enjoy. I was just thinking to myself about how to advise you on how to learn - assuming you don’t have a coin club in your area. This is what I came up with:

1. Buy a Guidebook to US coins (red book) and glance through it
2. Buy the ANA (America Numismatic Association) Grading standards book. You don’t have to master the grading but it will show you a ton of pics and having something to look at will help you get a mental image of what things look like.
3. Check out the ANA channel on YouTube - lots of great stuff. https://youtube.com/c/MoneyOrg
4. See if there is a coin show you can attend. The more coins you see the more you learn and can compare with coins you encounter while roll hunting or other.
5. Keep asking questions

rodeo514

@MarkW63 said:
@rodeo514
The depth of the learning in this hobby is nearly conceivable, there are people who's been into this hobby for decades and tomorrow they may come across something in the depths of the hobby that they didn't know.
A person can spend months leaning about Lincoln cents and still be clueless about Morgan Dollars, or Mercury Dimes, its fascinating, but at the same time it bottomless.
What's unfortunate in this day & time is millions of people have gotten so much misleading information about the coin collecting hobby as a whole.

It is bottomless for sure,and using sites like eBay is only more confusing .too much false info .
Cheers

MarkKelley

I've been collecting for 50+ years and I learn new things every day.

MarkW63

@rodeo514 said:

@MarkW63 said:
@rodeo514
The depth of the learning in this hobby is nearly INconceivable, there are people who's been into this hobby for decades and tomorrow they may come across something in the depths of the hobby that they didn't know.
A person can spend months leaning about Lincoln cents and still be clueless about Morgan Dollars, or Mercury Dimes, its fascinating, but at the same time it bottomless.
What's unfortunate in this day & time is millions of people have gotten so much misleading information about the coin collecting hobby as a whole.

It is bottomless for sure,and using sites like eBay is only more confusing .too much false info .
Cheers

I hate it when I make grammar mistakes like this, it was suppose to read,
The depth of the learning in this hobby is nearly inconceivable

BaronVonBaugh

@TurtleCat said:
I’m glad you are here to learn and enjoy. I was just thinking to myself about how to advise you on how to learn - assuming you don’t have a coin club in your area. This is what I came up with:

1. Buy a Guidebook to US coins (red book) and glance through it
2. Buy the ANA (America Numismatic Association) Grading standards book. You don’t have to master the grading but it will show you a ton of pics and having something to look at will help you get a mental image of what things look like.
3. Check out the ANA channel on YouTube - lots of great stuff. https://youtube.com/c/MoneyOrg
4. See if there is a coin show you can attend. The more coins you see the more you learn and can compare with coins you encounter while roll hunting or other.
5. Keep asking questions

You could also look through PCGS Coin Facts which includes PCGS Photograde.

streeter

Rodeo
You would do yourself a lot of good by using the archives. Read

IMHO when you start a post like this, you just get lumped in with all the other weekend parking lot posts by quite a few members. Unfortunate but likely .

Many members here have forgotten more than some coin collectors know. Many tire of well meaning and not so well meaning posts that only show that the poster is just too lazy to do their homework first. Between these archives and internet searches, there really isn't a reason to ask uninformed questions.

Carry on

mr1931S

Spend it. Let it circulate.

JBK

Spend it?

I'd keep a 1916 cent with sharp date and devices if it were mine.

rodeo514

@streeter said:
Rodeo
You would do yourself a lot of good by using the archives. Read

IMHO when you start a post like this, you just get lumped in with all the other weekend parking lot posts by quite a few members. Unfortunate but likely .

Many members here have forgotten more than some coin collectors know. Many tire of well meaning and not so well meaning posts that only show that the poster is just too lazy to do their homework first. Between these archives and internet searches, there really isn't a reason to ask uninformed questions.

Carry on

@streeter thanks

mr1931S

I guess the OP 1916 is okay for a beginner set. The mark above the date is a major distraction, however. I notice someone here estimated retail value at $2 to $4. No way.