Do they grade the whole planchet of an off struck coin?

Cul8r

Help.

Kliao

I think that they only grade the struck parts of the coin.

lilolme

Interesting question. Never thought about it.
So if there is a big hit, rim ding or similar on the un-struck planchet does that count against the grade.
???

jmlanzaf

@Kliao said:
I think that they only grade the struck parts of the coin.

@lilolme said:
Interesting question. Never thought about it.
So if there is a big hit, rim ding or similar on the un-struck planchet does that count against the grade.
???

They grade the whole thing.

lilolme

@jmlanzaf said:

They grade the whole thing.

Thanks, that is what I was thinking and why I put the big hit in there. Just didn't seem like they could ignore it. But then I don't participate in these and sometimes things are done that seem strange to me.

Broadstruck

The off center blank planchet flan is not gradable... So, on a 10% off center coin only the struck 90% is graded. Now take that with a grain of salt as 100% blank planchets do come with a numerical grade. I know collectors of such who have upgraded from a MS61 to a MS62, but to me glancing at each to notice which is higher in grade is like looking for a polar bear in a snowstorm.

Edited to add: Now if the blank flan has any sort of post mint damage it will result with the issue free struck portion of coin ending up in a details holder.

jmlanzaf

@Broadstruck said:
The off center blank planchet flan is not gradable... So, on a 10% off center coin only the struck 90% is graded. Now take that with a grain of salt as 100% blank planchets do come with a numerical grade. I know collectors of such who have upgraded from a MS61 to a MS62, but to me glancing at each to notice which is higher in grade is like looking for a polar bear in a snowstorm.

Edited to add: Now if the blank flan has any sort of post mint damage it will result with the issue free struck portion of coin ending up in a details holder.

That's the thing, they grade blank planchets, rolled coins, etc. It's not just the struck part. If it were, brockages would get poor 1 grades.

FlyingAl

They only grade the struck part. That is why coins with less than 50% struck end up without a grade, because they can’t grade it.

Note: I know this is true for ATS, not sure about our hosts. I’ll have to look into it.

lilolme

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/43778549
https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/1920-5c-buffalo-nickel-struck-80-off-center-ms64-pcgs/a/1342-4021.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

jmlanzaf

@FlyingAl said:
They only grade the struck part. That is why coins with less than 50% struck end up without a grade, because they can’t grade it.

Note: I know this is true for ATS, not sure about our hosts. I’ll have to look into it.

Incorrect

https://www.ebay.com/itm/255488389706?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=FKcotGSXTLS&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=I7BWTu72SVS&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

jmlanzaf

@FlyingAl said:
They only grade the struck part. That is why coins with less than 50% struck end up without a grade, because they can’t grade it.

Note: I know this is true for ATS, not sure about our hosts. I’ll have to look into it.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/304344270952?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=5eqnwUMRTQ6&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=I7BWTu72SVS&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

jmlanzaf

@FlyingAl said:
They only grade the struck part. That is why coins with less than 50% struck end up without a grade, because they can’t grade it.

Note: I know this is true for ATS, not sure about our hosts. I’ll have to look into it.

Not even true ATS

https://www.ebay.com/itm/153791816176?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=iYR8VWlaRpu&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=I7BWTu72SVS&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

1630Boston

From PCGS a while ago https://www.pcgs.com/news/Professional-Coin-Grading-Service-Pcgs-Introduces-Grading-And-Authentication-Pro

The error coins that can be encapsulated will be limited by several factors. One: the coin must be authentic. Two: the coin can not have major damage from a coin counting machine or other non-Mint factor. Three: the error must be a non-proof US coin. Four, the dimensions can not exceed 1/4" in height or 1 11/16" in diameter, as those are the maximum interior dimensions of the largest PCGS holder available.

FlyingAl

@jmlanzaf I stand corrected. It does only appear that they will give the coin a numeric grade if they can identify date and mint- so some die adjustment strikes don’t get a grade.