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eBay return - this is a new reason

jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,869 ✭✭✭✭✭

"Sorry - I ordered before receiving my tax return and owe Uncle Sam some money. I can t justify buying the coin."

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    DCWDCW Posts: 6,973 ✭✭✭✭✭

    These returns are hysterical! 😆

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    SoldiSoldi Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:
    Forget it, Jake- it's eBay.

    It's my return! slap It's my payment!

    It's my return It's my payment! 😆

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    Pnies20Pnies20 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unbelievable. eBay is a joke.

    BHNC #248 … 108 and counting.

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    d9lowed9lowe Posts: 304 ✭✭✭✭

    @MarkKelley said:
    I am in the middle of a return at this moment where I sold 2000 S-mint wheat cents. The buyer received them, searched them, then asked to return them because he didn't find the key dates he needed. EBay approved his request. I must refund his money (with shipping) and pay to have him return them to me. You're right: some people have no shame.

    That's on you! Why would you offer returns on that?

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    blaircountycoinblaircountycoin Posts: 219 ✭✭✭

    Just curious. On top of the insult of the returns some people get away with, will Ebay still count it towards your 1099?

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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 21,908 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @blaircountycoin said:
    Just curious. On top of the insult of the returns some people get away with, will Ebay still count it towards your 1099?

    It'll be added when the sale takes place and subtracted when the return occurs, so no, unless the return happens in a different year, in which case you'll have a sale in one year and a loss in the next. All of that is consistent with how this would appear on your taxes without a 1099.

    JK Coin Photography - eBay Consignments | High Quality Photos | LOW Prices | 20% of Consignment Proceeds Go to Pancreatic Cancer Research
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    Thanks for the info. Good to know.

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinConsign said:
    I once had a PCGS MS64 toned Morgan get returned on day 28 of 30 day returns. It came back in a NGC MS63 holder.
    Some people have no shame lol.

    You should have told eBay that you got a "different" coin back and the buyer is trying to scam you.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,869 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Pnies20 said:
    Unbelievable. eBay is a joke.

    It's not ebay's fault. It's the buyer's fault.

    [This is why payment processing isn't cheaper, by the way. ]

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,869 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bochiman said:
    I don't sell on ebay anymore, largely for things like this, but, that said, if you are a frequent seller on ebay, and you purport to do a lot of sales there, then none of the reasons should be a surprise and you know it is part of doing business there.

    This is true. But it is funny when it happens.

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    MarkKelleyMarkKelley Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @d9lowe said:

    @MarkKelley said:
    I am in the middle of a return at this moment where I sold 2000 S-mint wheat cents. The buyer received them, searched them, then asked to return them because he didn't find the key dates he needed. EBay approved his request. I must refund his money (with shipping) and pay to have him return them to me. You're right: some people have no shame.

    That's on you! Why would you offer returns on that?

    I don't. But all the buyer has to do is file a SNAD and eBay approves the return anyway.

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @airplanenut said:
    I once had a guy buy a Morgan, return it for whatever reason, then buy it when it was relisted… FOR MORE. Would you know he returned it again.

    The second return is on you for not blocking him the first time. :D
    There's an old saying---"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,869 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @airplanenut said:
    I once had a guy buy a Morgan, return it for whatever reason, then buy it when it was relisted… FOR MORE. Would you know he returned it again.

    The second return is on you for not blocking him the first time. :D
    There's an old saying---"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

    Yup. No second chances.

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    JWPJWP Posts: 17,593 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All of the above discussions are the reasons I decided not to sell on eBay. I just don't think it's worth the hassle. It's hard enough working with eBay as a buyer, it must be unbelievably difficult as a seller.

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    jessewvujessewvu Posts: 5,063 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You just need a system and treat business as business.

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    Pnies20Pnies20 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Pnies20 said:
    Unbelievable. eBay is a joke.

    It's not ebay's fault. It's the buyer's fault.

    [This is why payment processing isn't cheaper, by the way. ]

    Yes but there’s no way eBay should allow returns like that.

    BHNC #248 … 108 and counting.

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    pocketpiececommemspocketpiececommems Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinConsign said:
    I once had a PCGS MS64 toned Morgan get returned on day 28 of 30 day returns. It came back in a NGC MS63 holder.
    Some people have no shame lol.

    I can’t believe that eBay would make you accept this return. But I’m going to guess that there a worse eBay horror stories

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    rec78rec78 Posts: 5,685 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    "Sorry - I ordered before receiving my tax return and owe Uncle Sam some money. I can t justify buying the coin."

    LOL-but I do believe the buyer may be telling you the truth.

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,835 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Excuse me.... you're not that important in life, so I'm returning what I bought because something more important came up : ME. Thanks.

    That's how it reads to me. :blush:

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,835 ✭✭✭✭✭

    An easier response would be: "please accept return. The IRS is after me."

    We can all accept that one.

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    djmdjm Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @airplanenut said:

    @blaircountycoin said:
    Just curious. On top of the insult of the returns some people get away with, will Ebay still count it towards your 1099?

    It'll be added when the sale takes place and subtracted when the return occurs, so no, unless the return happens in a different year, in which case you'll have a sale in one year and a loss in the next. All of that is consistent with how this would appear on your taxes without a 1099.

    I don't think they subtract it, because they Adyen processed the payment and eBay handles the return . I think you have to deduct the returns on Schedule C.

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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 21,908 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @airplanenut said:
    I once had a guy buy a Morgan, return it for whatever reason, then buy it when it was relisted… FOR MORE. Would you know he returned it again.

    The second return is on you for not blocking him the first time. :D
    There's an old saying---"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

    Yup. No second chances.

    I often do, but this guy had bought a ton of coins over many weeks and returned one. As it was, he bought quite a few more before this incident of returning the same one.

    JK Coin Photography - eBay Consignments | High Quality Photos | LOW Prices | 20% of Consignment Proceeds Go to Pancreatic Cancer Research
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    Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 20, 2022 11:04AM

    I successfully blocked an eBay return on a $450 item onetime because the buyer (FB3) did not return it within my 14 day return period nor at at all. YAY! Through out the entire ordeal they never provided tracking or even now more than a month after. Despite their claim of shipping it still has not shown up.

    Don’t refund until you get the item back. If you refund during while the case is still open and the item has not been returned / received don’t expect to get it back.

    There are all kind of flake / trash buyers on eBay. I had no sooner shipped the item then the flaked out buyer requested refund. Said it shipped but I offer 14 day return period. Beyond that no returns accepted. They either scammer or fumbled the return. Most likely scammer.

    The person has been blocked. Even after case closed sent message trying get money back like bill collector / told him there would be no refund case closed per eBay.

    If numismatic buying is going to throw a wrench in paying your bills you have no business investing in it. Your putting at risk Survival 1 and then sacrificing 2Financial for Hobbies under 3 Lifestyle.

    So Cali Area - Coins & Currency
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    YQQYQQ Posts: 3,273 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 20, 2022 7:08AM

    I assume, and it is my opinion, whatever you, the seller, file as a defense is being red first by a computer. there your defense is auto rejected. then it goes to some sheet metal shack under palm trees somewhere where the decision to allow the return is made....not by a human...
    if you do not like that decision... you have to phone... and good luck with that.
    Is Feebay a member of the BBB anywhere????
    it is time that Fbay establishes a file of all the "bad buyers wnnabe customers"...3 times "bad" and you are out for 6 month... once more... forever.
    about 12 years ago I got kicked for 2 weeks and received a lesson.... like "our policy is etc..." My issue??? I posted a certified coin (by a CAN TPG-Well known). some dumb wannabe buyer reported it as a fake! (was not).

    Today is the first day of the rest of my life
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    MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pocketpiececommems said:
    I can’t believe that eBay would make you accept this return. But I’m going to guess that there a worse eBay horror stories

    I had a similar thing happen with a coin I sold. After some back and forth conversation through the eBay message system, the buyer admitted that the reason for making an SNAD claim was because he didn't want to pay the return postage. I contacted eBay "customer service", they agreed that the buyer was in the wrong here but I still had to pay the return postage even though he was violating their policies.

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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Cougar1978 said:
    I successfully blocked an eBay return on a $450 item because the buyer (FB3) did not return it within my 14 day return period nor at at all. YAY! Through out the entire ordeal they never provided tracking or even now more than a month after. Despite their claim of shipping it still has not shown up.

    Don’t refund until you get the item back. If you refund during while the case is still open and the item has not been returned / received don’t expect to get it back.

    There are all kind of flake / trash buyers on eBay. I had no sooner shipped the item then the flaked out buyer requested refund. Said it shipped but I offer 14 day return period. Beyond that no returns accepted. They either scammer or fumbled the return. Most likely scammer.

    The person has been blocked. Even after case closed sent message trying get money back like bill collector / told him there would be no refund case closed per eBay.

    Their reason makes no difference to me. Like low ballers / tirekickers off bourse It’s likely just BS or some sleazy lie.

    If numismatic buying is going to throw a wrench in paying your bills you have no business investing in it. Your putting at risk Survival 1 and then sacrificing 2Financial for Hobbies under 3 Lifestyle.

    Here is something frustrating about ebay and their wonderful computer stup. The last return I had, buyer paid for return and used an ebay label. One of the classic showed delivered but I never received the coin. I called ebay the day it was red. Well the Dumb A rep told me to call back in 5 days. The day before the buyer was automatically refunded and I received my 1st strike for seller non resolution. I gave up after 3 calls with their non educated, non English Speaking help I gave up! Not only did I loose my coin but got a strike against me!

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    Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,355 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I sold a $20 Washington Quarter one time on eBay. A few days after the purchase, I got an email from the buyer saying he didn't want it. Reason: "I found another one on eBay that was cheaper."

    Dave

    Always looking for original, better date VF20-VF35 Barber quarters and halves, and a quality beer.
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    Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 20, 2022 9:47AM

    I have had them cite as reasons: medical expenses, they made a mistake, wife found out, etc. I had doubted they would have gall “found something cheaper” but that just been disproven lol.

    I guess it’s the season for them use “blindsided on tax bill.”

    The scary thing thing is they could return it with tracking and USPS receiving location could lose it (possibly theft or misplaced in somebody else’s pob) I had a $25 pkg for something else lost like that. Said received at my locn but they never could find it. That’s when I decided to stop NN subscr. Maybe it taken bc they thought coins inside. Now I pay CDN $7.99 mo for online subscr CPG, CAC Mkt Report, Banknote Book.

    So Cali Area - Coins & Currency
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    telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,742 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Back in the day we had a guy who won a lot of junk silver dimes at 6x face, searched them, returned them and then gave us a negative because he couldn't find the 21 and 21D he needed. That was the last time we ever sold junk 90% online.

    Another guy bought an unopened box of 10- 1970 mint sets, opened the box, searched and wanted to return them because there were no small date cents.

    Needless to say our terms of sale are very explicit now and leave nothing open to interpretation.
    That said, we aren't doing much eBay of late.


    RIP Mom- 1932-2012
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    telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,742 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @YQQ said:
    I assume, and it is my opinion, whatever you, the seller, file as a defense is being red first by a computer. there your defense is auto rejected. then it goes to some sheet metal shack under palm trees somewhere where the decision to allow the return is made....not by a human...
    if you do not like that decision... you have to phone... and good luck with that.
    Is Feebay a member of the BBB anywhere????
    it is time that Fbay establishes a file of all the "bad buyers wnnabe customers"...3 times "bad" and you are out for 6 month... once more... forever.
    about 12 years ago I got kicked for 2 weeks and received a lesson.... like "our policy is etc..." My issue??? I posted a certified coin (by a CAN TPG-Well known). some dumb wannabe buyer reported it as a fake! (was not).

    It doesn't matter if the TPG is known...if it's not on eBay's list of approved TPGs you can't list it as certified and can't image it in the holder or the listing gets pulled.


    RIP Mom- 1932-2012
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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @airplanenut said:
    I once had a guy buy a Morgan, return it for whatever reason, then buy it when it was relisted… FOR MORE. Would you know he returned it again.

    Before sending the coin, I would have asked him if he really wanted it the second time around.

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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 21,908 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @telephoto1 said:

    @YQQ said:
    I assume, and it is my opinion, whatever you, the seller, file as a defense is being red first by a computer. there your defense is auto rejected. then it goes to some sheet metal shack under palm trees somewhere where the decision to allow the return is made....not by a human...
    if you do not like that decision... you have to phone... and good luck with that.
    Is Feebay a member of the BBB anywhere????
    it is time that Fbay establishes a file of all the "bad buyers wnnabe customers"...3 times "bad" and you are out for 6 month... once more... forever.
    about 12 years ago I got kicked for 2 weeks and received a lesson.... like "our policy is etc..." My issue??? I posted a certified coin (by a CAN TPG-Well known). some dumb wannabe buyer reported it as a fake! (was not).

    It doesn't matter if the TPG is known...if it's not on eBay's list of approved TPGs you can't list it as certified and can't image it in the holder or the listing gets pulled.

    *You can't image it with the grade visible. A photo of the holder is acceptable.

    JK Coin Photography - eBay Consignments | High Quality Photos | LOW Prices | 20% of Consignment Proceeds Go to Pancreatic Cancer Research
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    ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    "Sorry - I ordered before receiving my tax return and owe Uncle Sam some money. I can t justify buying the coin."

    That's a new one. Yeah I would just laugh and re-list :D

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    shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The tax thing might be real, and might become a bigger problem. Millions of people did not realize that the Childcare Tax Credit payments were advances, some people are just finding out their refunds are half (or less) of what they expected.

    ANA-LM, NBS, EAC
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    moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i recently accidentally bought 2 of the same date/mm coin, while working on an album. I even feel a bit of shame to return one of them.. and happy to pay return shipping for my mistake.

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    WindycityWindycity Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How about a return because I included a packaging slip that included prices... he did not want an invoice enclosed.

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Windycity said:
    How about a return because I included a packaging slip that included prices... he did not want an invoice enclosed.

    Maybe his wife saw the packing slip and he needed to do a return because he now needs the money to pay his divorce lawyer. :s

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.

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    djmdjm Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Windycity said:
    How about a return because I included a packaging slip that included prices... he did not want an invoice enclosed.

    Maybe it had to go through Customs and an import fee was due on the amount of the invoice. I've had many overseas buy request no invoice in the package.

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    telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,742 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @airplanenut said:

    @telephoto1 said:

    It doesn't matter if the TPG is known...if it's not on eBay's list of approved TPGs you can't list it as certified and can't image it in the holder or the listing gets pulled.

    *You can't image it with the grade visible. A photo of the holder is acceptable.

    I've imaged a couple in the past with carefully placed tags covering the grade and they were still pulled.


    RIP Mom- 1932-2012
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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 21,908 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @telephoto1 said:

    @airplanenut said:

    @telephoto1 said:

    It doesn't matter if the TPG is known...if it's not on eBay's list of approved TPGs you can't list it as certified and can't image it in the holder or the listing gets pulled.

    *You can't image it with the grade visible. A photo of the holder is acceptable.

    I've imaged a couple in the past with carefully placed tags covering the grade and they were still pulled.

    That's not in line with their policy, though admittedly the policy isn't completely clear:

    "Listings for ungraded coins and currency or raw currency:
    Must not include a non-approved grading company, numeric grade or estimated value anywhere in the listing and can't show an image of the item in a graded holder if the image shows a grade"

    Now, how can it not include a non-approved grading company if an image (without the grade) is allowed? Is that to say you can't write SEGS in the title, for example (so it can't be searched), but you can show a picture? The part of the policy about the image of the holder wouldn't need to be stated at all if "must not include a non-approved grading company" meant that no mention in any way--text or photo--could be made of said company.

    JK Coin Photography - eBay Consignments | High Quality Photos | LOW Prices | 20% of Consignment Proceeds Go to Pancreatic Cancer Research
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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 21,908 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @djm said:

    @Windycity said:
    How about a return because I included a packaging slip that included prices... he did not want an invoice enclosed.

    Maybe it had to go through Customs and an import fee was due on the amount of the invoice. I've had many overseas buy request no invoice in the package.

    They can request that, but the value is still shown on the customs form on the outside of the package, so I'll do as requested... and not help them in any way.

    JK Coin Photography - eBay Consignments | High Quality Photos | LOW Prices | 20% of Consignment Proceeds Go to Pancreatic Cancer Research
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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As long as a dick doesn't report your listing you can get away with showing pictures of non-approved slabs. I do it all the time but don't list the coin as graded, or use the slab picture as the primary picture. Also the only coins of this type I list are nice accurately graded coins anyway. I just think it's a shame to toss the protection and don't know how a buyer would react if they thought they were getting a raw coin and say a PCI slabbed coin showed up!

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