Decided to cut up the 60 proof set

gumby1234

So I decided to cut up the set. All the coins look amazing. No marks or hairline. I was very surprised. Only one coin had any cameo thou. The Franklin half is a one sided cam possible deep cam. Too bad both sides weren't frosted.

alaura22

You going to submit any?

joeykoins

Yeah, too bad the reverse doesn't compare. That's why I always said, they (PCGS, NGC) should consider a new way of determining any Cameo. Obverse or/and Reverse. Give credit where credit is due, right? It's a shame that a Cameo looking coin, whether obverse, reverse, go to waste.
Nice Bengy, dude.

gumby1234

@alaura22 I'm not sure it would be worth the grading fees. Nice coins thou. Not dipped and no milk spots or toning.

FlyingAl

A very nice example of a one sided cameo. I like the story behind how those coins were created.

Most of us know how true cameos have new dies installed in the press at the same time, resulting in the coin having the brand new frosted and mirrored surfaces of both dies. The CAM or DCAM finish that goes along with those new dies would therefore be imparted to the coin. This could also occur once the die had been repolished in later years. When struck in this scenario, both sides of the coin would have a CAM or DCAM finish until the frost wore and slowly degraded to CAM and then a brilliant proof surface.

These one sided cameos occurred when a die pair had one die wear out and be replaced faster than the other (often the anvil die because the operator could see that die better) and then a new CAM or DCAM die was installed. The die that was not replaced remained fully brilliant and the new die imparted a CAM or DCAM finish onto that one side. It's interesting to me anyways.

I personally don't think there would be any premiums associated with one sided CAMs, a good example is how NGC gives the star to such one sided CAM coins. They don't bring as much premium as one would expect, so there's really no need for the TPGs to acknowledge them at this point. Maybe in the future.

bsshog40

Those older proof frankies are soo hard to get cam on both sides. I have my birthyear set (59), that every coin is 67 cam, except the frankie. The cam version costs way too much money and settled for just 67 on it.

FlyingAl

@bsshog40 said:
Those older proof frankies are soo hard to get cam on both sides. I have my birthyear set (59), that every coin is 67 cam, except the frankie. The cam version costs way too much money and settled for just 67 on it.

1959 is the rarest year for CAM Franklins. The master hubs were reworked in ‘60 so the pickling process (that is the process that created the CAM on the dies) was the shortest of any year in the series to preserve detail and as such coins with contrast are scarce to rare.

ricko

I like the CAM look on coins... sure, prefer it to be both sides, but a good CAM obverse is nice in a collection. Cheers, RickO

JW77

@FlyingAl said:
A very nice example of a one sided cameo. I like the story behind how those coins were created.

Most of us know how true cameos have new dies installed in the press at the same time, resulting in the coin having the brand new frosted and mirrored surfaces of both dies. The CAM or DCAM finish that goes along with those new dies would therefore be imparted to the coin. This could also occur once the die had been repolished in later years. When struck in this scenario, both sides of the coin would have a CAM or DCAM finish until the frost wore and slowly degraded to CAM and then a brilliant proof surface.

These one sided cameos occurred when a die pair had one die wear out and be replaced faster than the other (often the anvil die because the operator could see that die better) and then a new CAM or DCAM die was installed. The die that was not replaced remained fully brilliant and the new die imparted a CAM or DCAM finish onto that one side. It's interesting to me anyways.

I personally don't think there would be any premiums associated with one sided CAMs, a good example is how NGC gives the star to such one sided CAM coins. They don't bring as much premium as one would expect, so there's really no need for the TPGs to acknowledge them at this point. Maybe in the future.

Thanks for the education, learnt something new. One of the reasons why I spend time on this forum.