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“Cash is King” seems to be a phrase of the past

1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,978 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 15, 2022 4:20PM in U.S. Coin Forum

The Boston Red Sox take the field at Fenway Park for the first home game of the season on Friday, bringing life to the streets under the Citgo sign with familiar sights, sounds and smells. However, patrons attending the game will notice several changes inside the park.

“Cash is King” seems to be a phrase of the past as Fenway goes fully cashless for the 2022 season.

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I argue that this doesn’t make the service speedy at all, but rather encourages more headaches, like technological issues that could arise.

One of my favorite parts of a ball game is watching a hawker sell a Fenway Frank to a person in the middle of a row. It becomes a team effort as people in the row pass down the hot dog, then they pass down the money.

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  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe at Fenway Park. It's a big country, though, and I don't think the Red Sox are calling the shots.

  • CoinHoarderCoinHoarder Posts: 2,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Comerica Park is also cashless.

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,978 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One of my favorite parts of going to Fenway Park is watching a hawker sell a Fenway Frank to a person in the middle of a row. It becomes a team effort as people in the row pass down the hot dog, then they pass down the money.
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinHoarder said:
    Comerica Park is also cashless.

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    how do people pay for hotdogs and soda while in their seats? (i know there are a few ways, just curious which one(s) are implemented) t.i.a.

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  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,978 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Smudge said:
    Vote with your wallet and avoid venues that don’t accept cash.

    I really agree with you :)
    but it is harder every single day
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    Today, nearly all Major League Baseball teams are cashless. The Guardians do not ban cash, but strongly recommend credit, debit, gift cards or Apple Pay and Google Pay.

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  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,723 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 15, 2022 5:12PM

    Its also not king in the current coin business, I got plenty of cash, but nothing too buy to feed my customers who are looking daily for stuff too buy . When ever i do buy a larger deal, it dosn't last but a day or two max.

    I am not talking about over priced crap, tons of that, talking about fair market priced stuff where There is a small profit room left to re-sale

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1630Boston said:
    The Guardians do not ban cash...

    "Guardians"? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

    Yeah, sure. :#

  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,777 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Studies have shown that cards and card rewards entice a person to spend more than they otherwise might.

    Baseball knows this.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,254 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fathom said:
    Studies have shown that cards and card rewards entice a person to spend more than they otherwise might.

    Baseball knows this.

    They've always known that but the change is recent and due to multiple factors.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do not follow any ball sports.... I do use cash a lot in transactions. Many places charge a 3% CC transaction fee... I avoid that. Cheers, RickO

  • Snowman24Snowman24 Posts: 468 ✭✭✭

    There are times I like to be anonymous where I don't want anyone knowing my name.

    My wife agrees with me - she doesn't want people knowing her name off your card.
    She tells me too many guys stare at her driving- she hates it
    It's too easy to find stuff about you, Facebook, where you live etc ...

    I know there is probably ways to get debit/credit cards without your name but I haven't jumped that hurdle yet

    I know NYC has a rule where being cashless is outlawed. Is there any more places ???

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fathom said:
    Studies have shown that cards and card rewards entice a person to spend more than they otherwise might.

    Some people, anyway. Not everybody.

  • 2ndCharter2ndCharter Posts: 1,677 ✭✭✭✭✭

    At coin shows cash is still KING.

    I haven't taken cash (except for incidentals) to a coin show in over 20 years and I do fine. Everybody I deal with takes my check with no problem (and sometimes that's a good five-figure amount).

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  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 16, 2022 10:49AM

    It's not just Fenway, Gillette Stadium is now a completely cashless stadium and TD Garden is also a fully cashless arena.

    Thankfully Massachusetts Law prohibits this. ;):*

  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not “seems to be” but totally is a phrase of the past. While cash isn’t going anywhere anytime soon the younger generations will continue to make strides to move beyond it.

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 16, 2022 11:17AM

    @TurtleCat said:
    While cash isn’t going anywhere anytime soon the younger generations will continue to make strides to move beyond it.

    I'm sure there's no downside to giving people you don't know the power to decide whether or not you can spend your own money on something. Probably.

    There's probably no downside to giving people you don't know the ability to review what kind of things you spend your money on, either.

  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @TurtleCat said:
    While cash isn’t going anywhere anytime soon the younger generations will continue to make strides to move beyond it.

    I'm sure there's no downside to giving people you don't know the power to decide whether or not you can spend your own money on something. Probably.

    There's probably no downside to giving people you don't know the ability to review what kind of things you spend your money on, either.

    It certainly appears that the younger generations may have some difficult lessons to learn in the future. But what you describe is a generalization of how many live today. Heck, some services like Venmo default to making everything you do with them public and people like it.

  • PppPpp Posts: 517 ✭✭✭✭

    Masong is on the right track.
    It’s about control and privacy. With cash you have control and privacy of transactions, you and you alone.
    Same with trading and bartering physical items for products/services.

    If you want to keep the maximum amount of control and privacy of what you are doing then cash is the way to go imo. 🙂

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I had a good laugh one day when a woman coming out of the coffee shop i was entering said in a huffy way "they're only taking cash". I said good thats what I use. She didn't have $3 to buy a coffee.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,417 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    I had a good laugh one day when a woman coming out of the coffee shop i was entering said in a huffy way "they're only taking cash". I said good thats what I use. She didn't have $3 to buy a coffee.

    I'm guessing that much of the money they take in isn't reported to the IRS. I know a few coin dealers that will give you a discount if you pay in cash and it's more than the 3% that the credit card companies charge the merchant.

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  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm guessing buyers who take advantage of that offer are paying with income that isn't reported to the IRS.

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TurtleCat said:
    Not “seems to be” but totally is a phrase of the past. While cash isn’t going anywhere anytime soon the younger generations will continue to make strides to move beyond it.

    I’m personally not so sure about this. At my high school, cash and card/phone payments are offered and cash is generally the preferred form to pay with. There are often fees associated with the phone payments so many students just fork over the cash instead of adding the extra hassle.

    Also, in my experience, a lot of my generation (gen Z) isn’t as geared to Bitcoin or NFTs as it seems to be made out to be. Many dismiss it as a joke.

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  • skier07skier07 Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 16, 2022 12:42PM

    SoFi, Cryto.com, and Angel Stadium do not accept cash in So. Ca.

    Not sure about Dodger Stadium or PetCo.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 16, 2022 12:46PM

    @PerryHall The coffee shop rings everything on the register and usually takes cards, but the card reader wasn't working.

    EDIT- a good thing because the people paying with cards slows the line down considerably

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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,798 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I rarely carry cash. I do when I know I have to tip a valet for parking, but in some cases even valet parking is app-based, and you can tip on the app. My father would send my kids cash for their birthdays, typically a $100 bill or two, and my kids would have this "thanks, but what the hell am I supposed to do with this?" look. I would take the cash and add to their debit card account or their Venmo account. The younger generation seems to have little use for cash.

    I have rarely carried more than a couple hundred dollars in cash to a coin show, and probably much less than that for more than 15 years. Part of me worries that at some future point, when cash is not recognized for trade, coins could lose some of their allure, too. Many of us appreciate coins because we used them in commerce and collected them as kids. If fewer people use in commerce and collect them as kids, where is the demand going to come from when boomers die off?

  • BestGermanBestGerman Posts: 75 ✭✭✭

    What happens when you try to use cash and they reject it. You know, the old "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private."

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  • nagsnags Posts: 817 ✭✭✭✭

    @BestGerman said:
    What happens when you try to use cash and they reject it. You know, the old "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private."

    A business can choose their method of receiving payment. Nobody needs to accept cash

  • silverpopsilverpop Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭✭✭

    always use cash, never had any issues with it and odd thing is cash will always be around no matter what people think or try

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,447 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Online - cards, PayPal. Shows - Cash is King

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  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @nags said:

    @BestGerman said:
    What happens when you try to use cash and they reject it. You know, the old "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private."

    A business can choose their method of receiving payment. Nobody needs to accept cash

    That’s dependent upon state law. Some states and cities require businesses to accept cash. But they are definitely the exception currently although there are some bills introduced to require cash payments in other places.

  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RYK said:

    Part of me worries that at some future point, when cash is not recognized for trade, coins could lose some of their allure, too. Many of us appreciate coins because we used them in commerce and collected them as kids. If fewer people use in commerce and collect them as kids, where is the demand going to come from when boomers die off?

    That's part of the reason why stamp collecting is pretty dead right now. Of course, self stick stamps didn't help either. However, creating FOREVER stamps should eventually eliminate the glut of unused postage. Can you imagine how long it takes to eliminate sheets of three cent stamps?

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RYK said:
    I would take the cash and add to their debit card account or their Venmo account.

    "$90 for you, $10 transaction fee for me."

    Teaching opportunity wasted. ;)

  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,798 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @RYK said:
    I would take the cash and add to their debit card account or their Venmo account.

    "$90 for you, $10 transaction fee for me."

    Teaching opportunity wasted. ;)

    I guess you never used Venmo or a debit card…

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RYK said:
    I guess you never used Venmo or a debit card…

    Venmo, no. Debit card, yes. Not sure of the point you're trying to make.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I used to go to the ball park with a quantity of $5's, $2's and $1's in my pocket, plus a few half dollars just in case. Have'nt been to a ball game in a while, however. Nowadays I need to find a back row wheelchair space for my walker with a seat on it, and they are lousy seats.

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  • CoinHoarderCoinHoarder Posts: 2,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I use my debit card most of the time. Sometimes. cash. All depends. But in person coin purchases, are and have always been, cash transactions.

  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Venmo has no fees the same with Zelle no fees to me or to the customer and go’s right in my acc instantly. And can send up to $30k a day. But I still love cash it will never go away but I carry both you never know it has happen before system was down we are only taking cash and have had we don’t take cash only cards so I do both.



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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,254 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @RYK said:
    I would take the cash and add to their debit card account or their Venmo account.

    "$90 for you, $10 transaction fee for me."

    Teaching opportunity wasted. ;)

    Lol. Except lots of the payapps are free, depending on how you fund them

  • pmh1nicpmh1nic Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @1630Boston said:
    The Guardians do not ban cash...

    "Guardians"? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

    Yeah, sure. :#

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    Why would the Guardians care about what happens in Fenway Park?...LOL

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,998 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Try going to a coin show without any cash and see how that’s works out for ya.

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  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Lol. Except lots of the payapps are free, depending on how you fund them

    I'm sure the people who work for these companies are getting paychecks. The money for that comes from somewhere.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,254 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Lol. Except lots of the payapps are free, depending on how you fund them

    I'm sure the people who work for these companies are getting paychecks. The money for that comes from somewhere.

    Sometimes it's just the float. Other times it's an associated business. They also do charge fees for credit card processing, so there's that. But most of the ones I've used have no fees if you fund from a linked back account.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Was at a local Wendy's a few months ago in the drive thru. They would only accept a credit card, no cash. But if you went inside to order it was cash only. Strange.

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 17, 2022 6:24AM

    To pop the ageism bubble that only older people prefer cash lol:

    That may apply to online (Credit Cards, eft transfer) but in my view from my table at shows it’s like what a 20 yo close Exotic Dancer friend (Janine) says “if they don’t have cash they aren’t diddly xx.”

    She’s real smart going to prelaw “just take cash and have a sign - no refunds or exchanges. Make them pay cash so they can’t flake out.” Her stage name Janine is based on the young Smurf character on Animal Kingdom.

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Cougar1978 said:
    To pop the ageism bubble that only older people prefer cash lol:

    That may apply to online (Credit Cards, eft transfer) but in my view from my table at shows it’s like what a 20 yo close Exotic Dancer friend (Janine) says “if they don’t have cash they aren’t diddly xx.”

    She’s real smart going to prelaw “just take cash and have a sign - no refunds or exchanges. Make them pay cash so they can’t flake out.” Her stage name Janine is based on the young Smurf character on Animal Kingdom.

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 17, 2022 10:26AM

    The proper term is Player. However I don’t think you grasp her point (she’s very smart) popping the ageism jab about older people preferring cash or what she thinks of players without cash. Whether coins or whatever. LROF at u.

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