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Terminology question on "wheatback cents."

CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

Finishing up my manuscript on the Cents of 1922, and in editing noticed that I have referred to the strong single line at the bottom of each wheat ear as variably a "stem" or a "stalk." I guess I have always used either term, and it probably does not matter, but was wondering what you all call it?

Is there a botanical term?

TD

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  • gonzergonzer Posts: 3,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Regarding botanical nomenclature, we use the term 'peduncle'.

  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here. It’s a stalk

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  • sumduncesumdunce Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭✭

    Always heard it referred to as "stalk."

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not sure if "stalk" refers to the whole thing, including the kernels of wheat and the thin strands above those, or just the stiff piece that holds it all up above the ground.

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think most lay people would relate to stalk. I doubt it matters. I think more of flowers with regards to the term stem.

  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here’s a definition and another picture


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  • PipestonePetePipestonePete Posts: 1,946 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Stalk.

  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gonzer said:
    Regarding botanical nomenclature, we use the term 'peduncle'.

    It looks like Gonzer is most correct, but I would not prefer that term when reading your manuscript. I think I would use "stem". There is already the use of stem/no stem in the half dollars relating to olive branches. I think no one would question the use of stem. For me personally I think of "stalk" to include the kernels and wheat ears. So if you are wanting to describe the very bottom of the wheat ear design on the back of the wheat cent the term "stem" will direct me to that point immediately.

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,978 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway ,
    Erik P Newman called them 'stems' in 1968 :)


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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with using the term 'stem'. Corn is usually referred to a stalks. Cheers, RickO

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 11, 2022 8:10AM

    Go with the term "Feather Penny" which was what they were called when I was a kid. :D

  • ShaunBC5ShaunBC5 Posts: 1,743 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m going to start using peduncle every chance I get.

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,144 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have always called it stalk, but as long as everyone knows which element you are speaking of when you say stem or stalk, then does it really matter? Of course, it provides debate for no apparent reason supposing all know which element you speak of when using either term.
    Jim


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  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think stem would be best.

  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,416 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Stalk or stem will work. I usually say lines in the stalk.

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  • DarinDarin Posts: 7,325 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I used to farm with my Dad and we grew a lot of wheat here in Kansas.
    In fifty years I've never heard a farmer call a wheat stem a 'stalk'.
    I've never heard a farmer use the term 'wheat ear' either.
    Wheat has a head in which the kernels are contained, corn has ears and like ricko said stalks.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Stem.

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  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,103 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Stem it is!

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Darin said:
    I used to farm with my Dad and we grew a lot of wheat here in Kansas.
    In fifty years I've never heard a farmer call a wheat stem a 'stalk'.
    I've never heard a farmer use the term 'wheat ear' either.
    Wheat has a head in which the kernels are contained, corn has ears and like ricko said stalks.

    I thank you for your first hand report. When I worked for Coin World I did take an apartment about ten yards from a winter wheat field, but I did not pay it very close attention other than the day one Spring when I came home from work and the farmer was attempting to plant soybeans amongst the wheat using a crop duster. At the end of each pass he pelted the apartments, and our parking lot. Fortunately there was no damage to my car that I would have had to try to explain to an insurance adjuster.

    So, technically, every 1909-1958 Lincoln cent is a "Three-headed coin?" :)

    Serious question: What did you call the random, wispy, thread-like filaments that come off of the tops of the kernels, which Brenner here stylized into parallel lines. I looked them up and they are called "awns," but I had never heard the term before.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,417 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Stem for the part below the head of wheat. The whole plant is a stalk of wheat.

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  • DarinDarin Posts: 7,325 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:

    @Darin said:
    I used to farm with my Dad and we grew a lot of wheat here in Kansas.
    In fifty years I've never heard a farmer call a wheat stem a 'stalk'.
    I've never heard a farmer use the term 'wheat ear' either.
    Wheat has a head in which the kernels are contained, corn has ears and like ricko said stalks.

    I thank you for your first hand report. When I worked for Coin World I did take an apartment about ten yards from a winter wheat field, but I did not pay it very close attention other than the day one Spring when I came home from work and the farmer was attempting to plant soybeans amongst the wheat using a crop duster. At the end of each pass he pelted the apartments, and our parking lot. Fortunately there was no damage to my car that I would have had to try to explain to an insurance adjuster.

    So, technically, every 1909-1958 Lincoln cent is a "Three-headed coin?" :)

    Serious question: What did you call the random, wispy, thread-like filaments that come off of the tops of the kernels, which Brenner here stylized into parallel lines. I looked them up and they are called "awns," but I had never heard the term before.

    CaptHenway- Sorry I didn't realize there had been a reply, I usually just post on sports talk
    so I forgot about this one.
    We called them 'whiskers'. I know that's not the technical term. :p
    Pull down on them gently and that's one way to 'separate the wheat from the chaff'.

  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd call that portion a stem. As noted stalks usually reference an entire corn plant.

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