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What is the whitish haze AT's are using to coverup scratches?

kruegerkrueger Posts: 887 ✭✭✭✭
edited April 6, 2022 10:06PM in U.S. Coin Forum

For years now I have seen this on many coins . At first it looks like some kind of toning
but when you look under it thru it with a good loupe you can see there are scratches or heavy field action that was was covered by it to give the coin a better appearance. Seeing it to often.

anyone else notice this ?

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The old trick was putty. Itv darkens over time.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,419 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've never used it but I seem to remember it was Bondo or a similar automotive body putty that is dissolved in some type of solvent and then painted onto a coin's surface. When it dries it's not visible and hides hairlines but after a few weeks it forms a chalky surface. I doubt it's done much anymore since the slabbing services are well aware of it and they look for it under a UV light.

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I actually had a Coin Dr. get PO'd at me at the 2002 Phillie ANA show while I was giving grading opinions because I was catching him puttying Morgan Dollars. He had the audacity to proceed to reputty one in front of me! He was using dental wax.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,419 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:
    I actually had a Coin Dr. get PO'd at me at the 2002 Phillie ANA show while I was giving grading opinions because I was catching him puttying Morgan Dollars. He had the audacity to proceed to reputty one in front of me! He was using dental wax.

    How did he apply the wax?

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @amwldcoin said:
    I actually had a Coin Dr. get PO'd at me at the 2002 Phillie ANA show while I was giving grading opinions because I was catching him puttying Morgan Dollars. He had the audacity to proceed to reputty one in front of me! He was using dental wax.

    How did he apply the wax?

    He would roll it around in the palms of his hands until he got it warmed up and then roll it on the coin.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    I've never used it but I seem to remember it was Bondo or a similar automotive body putty that is dissolved in some type of solvent and then painted onto a coin's surface. When it dries it's not visible and hides hairlines but after a few weeks it forms a chalky surface. I doubt it's done much anymore since the slabbing services are well aware of it and they look for it under a UV light.

    Where did you hear that grading companies use UV lights for that purpose?

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have encountered that in the past, mostly at shows when I lived out west. Never knew exactly what was used, but could detect it with my loupe, in good light - usually at an angle. Cheers, RickO

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,419 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 7, 2022 6:00AM

    @MFeld said:

    @PerryHall said:
    I've never used it but I seem to remember it was Bondo or a similar automotive body putty that is dissolved in some type of solvent and then painted onto a coin's surface. When it dries it's not visible and hides hairlines but after a few weeks it forms a chalky surface. I doubt it's done much anymore since the slabbing services are well aware of it and they look for it under a UV light.

    Where did you hear that grading companies use UV lights for that purpose?

    I read it here on the forums a few years ago so there's a chance that it's total BS. Apparently the putty shows up better under a UV light. I doubt if they would check every coin but if a coin looked suspicious I could see them further checking it. If someone here has a coin known to be puttied and have a UV light, could you check it out and let us know what you find?

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  • kruegerkrueger Posts: 887 ✭✭✭✭

    This is a good thread thats been bothering me for a long time.
    I thought maybe they were using a paste of dealer darkener (sulfur) ??
    Its becoming way to common especially on eBay. seen it on auction coins too. I glad others have seen it too.

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