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IS this a lamination error?

Before you say it, I know it's small and not worth a lot, I'm mostly doing this for fun and to learn how to identify this stuff.

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  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you ask me, I'm not sure a lamination is an error- it's more like a defect. As to the pictured coin, I really don't know.

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2, 2022 9:29PM

    @MasonG said:
    If you ask me, I'm not sure a lamination is an error- it's more like a defect. As to the pictured coin, I really don't know.

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    i haven't seen anyone actually say it in a while but any coin/currency that leaves the mint outside the listed tolerance is technically an error (and they'd prefer the probably not be released, officially), including rpm, ddo etc although we as numismatists have them delineated as errors and varieties.

    it is weird. they have detail graded lamination errors yet one can pay for the error service and have it graded with the error designation.

    as to the image in the op, while it is nice, large and clear enough, i personally cannot tell if it is a defective planchet lamination error or a strike through. i don't think it is pmd.

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  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 4,594 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great pics, Pinball time.
    Give it a tilt and shed a little less light.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That appears to be a planchet defect. Cheers, RickO

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2022 7:29AM

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:
    i haven't seen anyone actually say it in a while but any coin/currency that leaves the mint outside the listed tolerance is technically an error (and they'd prefer the probably not be released, officially)...

    Yeah, I understand that's how they get classified. I'm sure the mint would prefer to not release any coin into circulation that's not perfect, which would make every coin an error, wouldn't it?

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:
    i haven't seen anyone actually say it in a while but any coin/currency that leaves the mint outside the listed tolerance is technically an error (and they'd prefer the probably not be released, officially)...

    Yeah, I understand that's how they get classified. I'm sure the mint would prefer to not release any coin into circulation that's not perfect, which would make every coin an error, wouldn't it?

    by my understanding, every item released outside their pre-determined specs is an error by their definition. the mint does account for a certain amount of variance. this applied to alignment, thickness, weight, composition, etc.

    tpgs tend to adhere to these thresholds but resellers for non-holdered coins are a little more liberal. ie ebay. you will see TONS of even reasonable listings that technically don't quality as errors but are sold as such and get a premium as their legit counterparts are significantly more expensive. this changes from time to time as trends/popularity/finances etc change.

    i've seen tons of stuff languish during certain periods and then other times, that same stuff goes to the moon. values of collectables are NOTHING if not inconsistent.

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,613 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It may be an "error" as in "mistake" that out of tolerance coins are produced and released, but in the numismatic world there are "varieties" and "errors".

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,349 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It is a defect and detracts from the coin. There seems to be an effort to classify laminations as desirable "errors". Try selling some for cash and see how desirable they really are.

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  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 3,593 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not positive it's a lamination. It might be a bit of crud or glue on the surface of the coin. The picture allows for either.

    If recessed, then a lamination or other similar minor defect. If raised, then crud or glue.

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    a couple more pictures at some angle would probably help. this is a foreign coin, yes?

    the color at the area in question is very odd.

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  • OldhoopsterOldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Manufacturing facilities don't use the terms errors, defects, mistakes, etc., anymore. Too many lawyers out there to jump on the fact that you sold products to consumers that you called defective.

    Nonconformance is the preferred term. The Quality Assurance department and Lawyers at the mint should insist that TPGs relabel all errors as nonconformances. 😉

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  • numismanumisma Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭✭

    My first thought was that it was a strikethrough error. In this case, struck through a booger. It even has the obligatory nose hair.

    JK, but a couple more photos at different angles would be helpful in determining what you have.

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