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Is this Capped Bust Half Cleaned?

DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭✭✭

This is the cover coin from Overton's book. Did he use a cleaned coin?

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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,150 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe, but I wouldn’t expect a cleaned coin to have as much dirt as this coin does in the fields around the date and above the head.

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  • BustDMsBustDMs Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Repaired if I remember correctly.

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  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For the variety:

    Who cares if it is cleaned.

    I'd love to have it.

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Without examining the coin, or an excellent photograph of it, that cannot be determined conclusively. Cheers, RickO

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,495 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Whatever the cause of the coin’s appearance, it looks far from original.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,495 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Treashunt said:
    For the variety:

    Who cares if it is cleaned.

    I'd love to have it.

    Regardless of the variety, probably a lot of collectors care.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @Treashunt said:
    For the variety:

    Who cares if it is cleaned.

    I'd love to have it.

    Regardless of the variety, probably a lot of collectors care.

    For an 1817/4?

    I'll take it.

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not sure if it's cleaned. But the yellow color is definitely artificial. :smile:

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,334 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @Treashunt said:
    For the variety:

    Who cares if it is cleaned.

    I'd love to have it.

    Regardless of the variety, probably a lot of collectors care.

    I care, t.y. mfeld

  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is the coin on the cover, graded VF35. It does not appear cleaned (though it is likely that some of the coins plated in his book were cleaned).

    A bit on the pedigree and history, courtesy of Coinfacts:
    Oakland, California coin dealer, sold privately in 1962 - Al Overton, sold privately - Empire Coin Company (Q. David Bowers and James Ruddy), sold privately in 1962 - Hazen B. Hinman Collection, sold privately - Paramount 5/1965:1112 (bought in?) - Bowers & Ruddy's Rare Coin Review, 1973-1975, sold privately in 1975 - Gloria Meyer, purchased as a gift for her husband's collection - Charlton E. "Swampy" Meyer, Jr. Collection - Mrs. Gloria Meyer, sold privately in 9/2006 - Sheridan Downey, sold privately in 4/2008 - D. Brent Pogue Collection

    Lance.

  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I should add...the above coin is on the cover of the 1990 and later editions of Overton's book. It is the 2nd known at the time.

    The image in the OP is of the 1970 edition which was a complete revision of the original 1967 book (and included a new numbering system and additional die marriages). I don't have that copy but it appears the 17/4 image may be the discovery coin of 1930 ("rediscovered" by Overton in 1951), graded today as AU53. See below.

    I am guessing, based on shading of the images.
    Lance.

  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Finally, for those of you who lust for this most famous bust half dollar, here are all 11 known.
    Lance.

  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lkeigwin said:
    Finally, for those of you who lust for this most famous bust half dollar, here are all 11 known.
    Lance.

    It's unbelievable to be able to see all eleven of the known coins in one picture. IMPRESSIVE PHOTO!

  • drddmdrddm Posts: 5,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 4, 2022 3:02AM

    Here are a couple of in hand images (albeit not great ones) of the coin in question for another look.
    Dave


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