Date or Not?
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Here's a coin that's graded "No Date" by PCGS.
Do you think it's possible to guess the date here?
I'm guessing 1942-S or 1943-S but that's probably not good enough to assign a date.
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Here's a 1942-S and a 1943-S to compare.
The 1942 has more of a "hook" in the 2.
Either way that is a really good strike for an S Mint coin. Full thumbs are hard to come by in coins from that branch. So many are mushy in the middle region.
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Strictly as a guess, from the pictures provided above, I would say '42.... I am not aware of any definitive PUP's to differentiate the dates. Cheers, RickO
Impossible to determine with 100% certainty. Close but no cigar.
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I don't believe you can determine it definitively given the fact that the metal flow is not typical and the numbers are deformed. Too bad, but still an awesome piece.
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I checked the cert number and it is graded AU58, and they are now showing the date as 1921-S. Just kidding on the date part, but wouldn't that be cool?
The coin is a likely a 42-S. It has a unique design for the obverse for this year, variety vista can show this under design varieties.
The IGWT is a bit hard to discern from the photos but I’m fairly positive my attribution is correct. In hand will be easiest to tell.
Link here: http://www.varietyvista.com/10 Walking Liberty Halves/Obverse Design Varieties.htm
ODV-008. Best of luck!
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Please take a look at the post by @TomB above regarding metal flow and the resulting deformation of design devices, such as letters. That fact--together with the low resolution photo--renders it too risky to make a positive attribution.
That being said, good work on checking Variety Vista. And as you said, with a loupe and the coin "in hand," you could possibly find the most likely date for the coin. I agree with you on this statement.
@numisma I stand corrected. I do think it’s likely a 42, but forgot to take into account the distortion. Thanks for reminding me!
I will edit my post accordingly.
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That’s awesome!
Who does variety attribution for this for PCGS?
I agree with 42-S. Looking at VarietyVista, the proportions of the R changed, with the top loop being made longer for 1943. The shape of the G changed a little, too.
PCGS also called my NJ quarter brockage that I posted a couple weeks ago a "no date," probably because the mint mark isn't visible.
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@Zoins Unfortunately, no one because of how minor these changes are and how many there are. It’s just for your reference and it helps you find your date. PCGS might add the date on the label with this info, but I do really doubt it.
At least you know the date with a high degree of certainty!
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The variety may be minor but knowing the date is not!
Hopefully PCGS can add the date!
Here's the close ups from the Variety Vista page you posted.The dates are the same for Denver, San Francisco and Proofs, which are listed on the page, but not included here so the image will be larger.
http://www.varietyvista.com/10 Walking Liberty Halves/Obverse Design Varieties.htm
@Zoins Any plans to resubmit this coin with the hope of an added date, assuming you own the coin?
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This coin actually belongs to none other than our own @FredWeinberg! I'm just trying to help
I know he's retired but hopefully he can convince PCGS to add the date given that he worked for them for so long!
Sounds good! Please keep the thread updated, I am quite interested to what becomes of this coin! Personally, I've wondered if PCGS will ever add the date with only the info of minor variety changes. This will hopefully answer that!
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