Top 3 MLB players who became managers
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Tell us the 3 best ball players ever who managed an MLB team. #1 is easy.
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Why Babe Ruth never managed.
Very interesting
http://m.thepostgame.com/blog/throwback/201403/babe-ruths-daughter-explains-why-her-father-never-became-mlb-manager
Ted Williams
Rogers Hornsby
Frank Robinson
We may be missing one
He won over 450 games as a manager. No, it’s not Pete Rose
Yogi Berra
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
I suspect you were not contemplating Joe Cronin as one of the three
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
No on Cronin.
Berra was great but this guy a bit better
Mel Ott was a playing manager and manager of the Giants... doubtful that was who you were contemplating as well
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
His son was a doctor, but died before he did. They had the same name.
Ty Cobb managed the Tigers for while, but was forced to leave under cloud.
One of the owners told the Babe that he could not manage himself. Ruth got promises, but no commitments from the Braves and the Dodgers. They hired him as a gate attraction,.
Ty Cobb is correct.
Ted Williams, Ty Cobb, and whoever else you want in there .
Most people have Ruth and Williams as the two greatest hitters all time.
If you look at Williams numbers against Bob Feller and Ruth against Walter Johnson, they may think differently.
It could be Williams and Ruth instead of Ruth and Williams.
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Williams, Cobb and Pete Rose!
Steve
Frank Robinson
Here's the list (from baseball-reference.com), of all the HOFers who managed for even one game.
Mgr
Walter Alston HOF
Sparky Anderson HOF
Cap Anson HOF
Luke Appling HOF
Dave Bancroft HOF
Ed Barrow HOF
Yogi Berra HOF
Jim Bottomley HOF
Lou Boudreau HOF
Roger Bresnahan HOF
Mordecai Brown HOF
Max Carey HOF
Frank Chance HOF
Oscar Charleston HOF
Fred Clarke HOF
Ty Cobb HOF
Mickey Cochrane HOF
Eddie Collins HOF
Jimmy Collins HOF
Charlie Comiskey HOF
Roger Connor HOF
Andy Cooper HOF
Bobby Cox HOF
Joe Cronin HOF
George Davis HOF
Bill Dickey HOF
Martín Dihigo HOF
Larry Doby HOF
Hugh Duffy HOF
Leo Durocher HOF
Johnny Evers HOF
Buck Ewing HOF
Rube Foster HOF
Frankie Frisch HOF
Pud Galvin HOF
Joe Gordon HOF
Clark Griffith HOF
Burleigh Grimes HOF
Ned Hanlon HOF
Bucky Harris HOF
Gabby Hartnett HOF
Billy Herman HOF
Whitey Herzog HOF
Pete Hill HOF
Gil Hodges HOF
Rogers Hornsby HOF
Miller Huggins HOF
Hughie Jennings HOF
Judy Johnson HOF
Walter Johnson HOF
Joe Kelley HOF
King Kelly HOF
Tony La Russa HOF
Nap Lajoie HOF
Tommy Lasorda HOF
Bob Lemon HOF
John Henry Lloyd HOF
Al Lopez HOF
Ted Lyons HOF
Connie Mack HOF
Biz Mackey HOF
Rabbit Maranville HOF
Eddie Mathews HOF
Christy Mathewson HOF
Joe McCarthy HOF
Tommy McCarthy HOF
John McGraw HOF
Bill McKechnie HOF
Bid McPhee HOF
José Mendéz HOF
Paul Molitor HOF
Kid Nichols HOF
Hank O'Day HOF
Buck O'Neil HOF
Jim O'Rourke HOF
Mel Ott HOF
Tony Perez HOF
Cum Posey HOF
Branch Rickey HOF
Frank Robinson HOF
Wilbert Robinson HOF
Bullet Rogan HOF
Ryne Sandberg HOF
Ray Schalk HOF
Red Schoendienst HOF
Frank Selee HOF
George Sisler HOF
Billy Southworth HOF
Al Spalding HOF
Tris Speaker HOF
Turkey Stearnes HOF
Casey Stengel HOF
Mule Suttles HOF
Ben Taylor HOF
Bill Terry HOF
Joe Tinker HOF
Joe Torre HOF
Alan Trammell HOF
Pie Traynor HOF
Honus Wagner HOF
Bobby Wallace HOF
Ed Walsh HOF
John Ward HOF
Earl Weaver HOF
Willie Wells HOF
Deacon White HOF
Sol White HOF
Dick Williams HOF
Joe Williams HOF
Ted Williams HOF
Jud Wilson HOF
George Wright HOF
Harry Wright HOF
Cy Young HOF
Don Mattingly
Pete Rose
Steve
(Long list deleted) I had completely forgotten that Tony Perez managed the Reds (for a few games) and Marlins for 2/3 of a season.
I admire Don Mattingly fans for their dedication, but it is extremely easy to pick three players on my deleted list who were far better. In fact it isn't hard to pick thirty. I haven't tried, but I'll bet it is easy to pick five people not in the Hall who managed and were significantly better than Mattingly.
The 2 books on the Babe that I've read cited this the main reason. I did not read anything about him wanting to break the color barrier via his wanting blacks in MLB. I'll have to read up on that angle. What's interesting about this, if it had happened, it may of skewed some baseball records in favor of black players and impacted the white players records.
Not sure about the records. There have been some great black players over the decades, but very few blacks overall in mlb. Basketball and football has many, but soccer and hockey has very little, with baseball in between there somewhere.
For example. Make a list of the 100 best ball players from 1980-2020.
How many blacks are there ?
Griffey Jr.
Ozzie Smith ?
Do Strawberry and Gooden make the list ? Does Mookie Betts ?
It would be an interesting list, but my guess is 80-90% is white, Hispanic, or other.
Don’t think that 10% of blacks in mlb in the 1920s would affect any records.
@Goldenage
For example. Make a list of the 100 best ballplayers from 1980-2020.
Rickey Henderson and Barry Bonds would be 1 and 2.
Tony Gwynn would definitely be on the list, too.
Add Eddie Murray.
Tim Raines and Harold Baines
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
From that list (not considering Bonds for obvious reasons) the only record that was affected was the stolen base record.
No pitching records, batting average, or any others are affected
So post season failures no longer apply to your standards?
Obviously, a poor post season stat line in baseball doesn't mean much other than the simple randomness that occurs all year in baseball to even the very best....but it is odd that you apply that standard in some cases but not others. > @Goldenage said:
No need to guess any of the percentages of African American players in MLB.
The percentages are as follows:
African American percentage in MLB was at an all time high in 1981 with 18.7 percent of MLB players of being African American. The decade of the 1980's had the highest percentage of African American players averaging 17.8% per year.
The 1980's also averaged around 12% Latin American players in MLB
For context, the league was 5.5% African American in 1955, 8.9% in 1960, 12.7% in 1965, 14.6% in 1970, 18.5% in 1975.
16% in 1990, 16.% in 1995, 12.8% in 2000.
African American participation in MLB has dwindled considerably with only 6.7% in MLB in 2016. However, there was a vast increase of Latin American players with it being 27.4% in 2016.
Asian participation in MLB was 2.1% in 2016.
In simpler terms, just look at what the percentage of white players was in MLB, as it was 100% up until Jackie Robinson.
In 1945 MLB was 100% white.
in 1950 it was 95.3
1955 89.8
1960 82.3
1970 73.7
1980 71.1
1990 68.6
2000 61.2
2010 63
2016 it was 63.7% white.
This is NOT my work.
After reading those percentages above, here is a more detailed breakdown on the impact of the game in terms of on field performance for each ethnicity.
In 1947 White players accounted for 99.9% of all the WAR accumulated in MLB. African Americans 0.4%
In 1960 White players 79.5% of WAR. African American players 13.8%. Latin 6.7%
In 1970 White players 66.8% of WAR, African Amerian players 23.5%. Latin 9.7%
In 1980 White players 66.7% of WAR. African American players 26.4%. Latin 7%
in 1990 White players 64.4% of WAR. African American players 24%. Latin 11%
In 2000 White players 55.7% of WAR. African American players 13.9%. Latin 27.7%. Asian 2.6%
In 2010 White players 57% of WAR. African American players 11.1%. Latin 29.6. Asian 2.3%
In 2016 White Players 59.9% of WAR. African Amerian players 8.3%. Latin 29.2. Asian 2.5%
Work cited to Mark Armour of SABR.
Baseball demographics have gone under an immense transformation and world wild participation has grown tremendously as well and continues to do so.
In baseball you win as a team and lose as a team. When discussing greatest teams, winning championships determines a great team. Individual players in baseball can not win championships by themselves. They need great players around them. When speaking in terms of great players in baseball individual stats trump team championships.
Yet some teams like the Phillies from the mid 1970s to 1980 consistently underperformed in the post season. Yes, the Cincinnati Reds were really good, but that was not whole reason the Phillies always fell in the play-offs.
It took Pete Rose to put some winning gumption into them, when they finally won their first World Series in history in 1980. Rose made the difference on that team.
Mike Schmidt especially in the time period you speak of. Very poor postseason performances except one. Carlton was decent I think. Don’t believe they had great starting pitching outside of Lefty. Remember Manny Trillo playing great defense against Houston. Don’t recall the year though.
Remember in that time, as good as the Reds were, they only won two WS. Dodgers only won one(and the Reds got cheated out of the post season that year due to the dumb first half/second half rule while the Reds had the best record in the league), so LA should not even have been there. Phillies won one. Royals were in contention all the time too and only won one, and that wasn't until 1985 and they only won because of a famously blown call.
Those teams all had great runs and made a mark in baseball history and their fans for that stretch.
Everything has to fall your way to win it all in a short series when you are playing teams just as good as yours...and those teams were all just as good as each other.
I think we harp on these teams a little too much for only winning one title while being in serious contention for several years.
Imagine being the Padres, Giants, or Cubs those years....now that is worthy of scorn.