@Justacommeman, simply gorgeous coins. My own experience with commems is just to acquire the ones I like. Some of the shenanigans associated with the production of these are a little off-putting and some of the designs aren't all that inspired. On the other hand, some of the most beautiful designs in all of numismatics are in this series.
I don't know where they all ended up, but the Hawaiian has a good home. If the Texas or Antietam ever show themselves I'm a ready and willing buyer. Here's the majority of mine. Some of these are worth a couple hundred bucks and others several thousand. They range all over the place in terms of grade and value, but they're all fun to me. The Columbian, Gettysburg, Hawaiian, Lincoln, Pilgrim, and Wisconsin are my favorites. The Isabella, California (wasn't this also yours?), PanPac, and OST aren't so bad either.
I never did get a response to my question. How is the classic gold commemorative market doing these days? I'm primarily talking about the gold dollars and quarter eagles. What say you?
I'm not an expert on classic gold commemoratives for the simple reason that they are easily found. I like coins that are difficult to find. In the latest update for a set of MS66s (which is completely out of my league) went from $614,700 to $615,800. The two $50 Panamas for $390,000 alone did not move at all.
Great Collections provides an Auction Archive. Check it out, compare the populations and prices to the silvers ,and let us know what you think. My though is they are lagging the market. The question is - are they undervalued or still overpriced.
I did some further research. A lot has to do with the popularity of owning gold commemoratives. A $1 gold coin has a little less than $100 in melt value. There are 95 1905 Lewis and Clark in PCGS MS66. PCGS price guide is $9,750. An unloved 1937-S Arkansas in PCGS M66 has a price guide of $750 and a population of 86! Of course, a MS66 Lafayette with a pop of 89 goes for $12,000. Compared to the gold commemoratives, there are some good values in the silvers.
I never did get a response to my question. How is the classic gold commemorative market doing these days? I'm primarily talking about the gold dollars and quarter eagles. What say you?
I'm not an expert on classic gold commemoratives for the simple reason that they are easily found. I like coins that are difficult to find. In the latest update for a set of MS66s (which is completely out of my league) went from $614,700 to $615,800. The two $50 Panamas for $390,000 alone did not move at all.
Great Collections provides an Auction Archive. Check it out, compare the populations and prices to the silvers ,and let us know what you think. My though is they are lagging the market. The question is - are they undervalued or still overpriced.
I did some further research. A lot has to do with the popularity of owning gold commemoratives. A $1 gold coin has a little less than $100 in melt value. There are 95 1905 Lewis and Clark in PCGS MS66. PCGS price guide is $9,750. An unloved 1937-S Arkansas in PCGS M66 has a price guide of $750 and a population of 86! Of course, a MS66 Lafayette with a pop of 89 goes for $12,000. Compared to the gold commemoratives, there are some good values in the silvers.
Far more silver commemorative collectors collect by type than by date. And in the case of the Arkansas, if you add up the populations of each date in MS66 condition, the total exceeds 2300.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Yes, that is correct. Currently, there are 415 participants in the 50 coin Registry sets vs. 137 in the 144 coin Registry sets. And already 36 vs. 9 in CAC sets. My recent Grant vs. Grant Star survey showed 20 board members favored giving additional weight vs. 12 favoring equal weight.
Couldn't there be room for both philosophies at least in the case of the 50 silver commemorative type coins - the largest group of type coins - 50 coins? One registry type set for the highest condition coins and another for the highest rarities?
Interestingly, we don't refer to a 7 or 8 coin Gold Commemorative Type set in the Registry. It would cut down the cost of collecting gold commemoratives.
It is interesting that people don’t think in terms of a gold type set. If there were such a category wouldn’t it be ten coins, with a “short set” of eight that includes only the smaller denominations?
For my eight coin set I’d want to include both LA Purchase coins, and I’d consider round vs octagonal a major difference, unlike a star or a date.
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It is interesting that people don’t think in terms of a gold type set. If there were such a category wouldn’t it be ten coins, with a “short set” of eight that includes only the smaller denominations?
For my eight coin set I’d want to include both LA Purchase coins, and I’d consider round vs octagonal a major difference, unlike a star or a date.
The standard gold type set has twelve coins---3 G$1, 2 G$2.5, 1 G$3, 2 G$5, 2 G$10, and 2 G$20.
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@Justacommeman, simply gorgeous coins. My own experience with commems is just to acquire the ones I like. Some of the shenanigans associated with the production of these are a little off-putting and some of the designs aren't all that inspired. On the other hand, some of the most beautiful designs in all of numismatics are in this series.
I don't know where they all ended up, but the Hawaiian has a good home.
If the Texas or Antietam ever show themselves I'm a ready and willing buyer. Here's the majority of mine. Some of these are worth a couple hundred bucks and others several thousand. They range all over the place in terms of grade and value, but they're all fun to me. The Columbian, Gettysburg, Hawaiian, Lincoln, Pilgrim, and Wisconsin are my favorites. The Isabella, California (wasn't this also yours?), PanPac, and OST aren't so bad either.
Really Nice set of matched commemoratives, and yes, the gold accents are the cherry!
Nice to see classic commemoratives finally showing some signs of life.
I did some further research. A lot has to do with the popularity of owning gold commemoratives. A $1 gold coin has a little less than $100 in melt value. There are 95 1905 Lewis and Clark in PCGS MS66. PCGS price guide is $9,750. An unloved 1937-S Arkansas in PCGS M66 has a price guide of $750 and a population of 86! Of course, a MS66 Lafayette with a pop of 89 goes for $12,000. Compared to the gold commemoratives, there are some good values in the silvers.
Far more silver commemorative collectors collect by type than by date. And in the case of the Arkansas, if you add up the populations of each date in MS66 condition, the total exceeds 2300.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Yes, that is correct. Currently, there are 415 participants in the 50 coin Registry sets vs. 137 in the 144 coin Registry sets. And already 36 vs. 9 in CAC sets. My recent Grant vs. Grant Star survey showed 20 board members favored giving additional weight vs. 12 favoring equal weight.
Couldn't there be room for both philosophies at least in the case of the 50 silver commemorative type coins - the largest group of type coins - 50 coins? One registry type set for the highest condition coins and another for the highest rarities?
Interestingly, we don't refer to a 7 or 8 coin Gold Commemorative Type set in the Registry.
It would cut down the cost of collecting gold commemoratives.
Gorgeous coins @JW77!
I'm a HUGE fan of commem toners.
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Haha, me too. Need to stay focused!
But, that looks like a nice white coin and what this thread is about.
It is interesting that people don’t think in terms of a gold type set. If there were such a category wouldn’t it be ten coins, with a “short set” of eight that includes only the smaller denominations?
For my eight coin set I’d want to include both LA Purchase coins, and I’d consider round vs octagonal a major difference, unlike a star or a date.
The standard gold type set has twelve coins---3 G$1, 2 G$2.5, 1 G$3, 2 G$5, 2 G$10, and 2 G$20.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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Wow. They barely even kept up with the rising price of the CAC sticker. 🤣