Given the thread on the BST forum, I think I should post the full text of the only communication I received from the buyer:
"Dear sir,
"I purchased the Daniel Carr token which arrived yesterday, and I was so happy to get it. However, as I am sure you are most likely aware the token was damaged on the 6 ‘o’clock obverse edge which is pretty disappointing- please see photos
"Would you be willing to provide some partial refund or accept a return? Paying top cost for it should have been without any significant injury - at this point it cannot even be graded (ANACS grades Dan Carr coins but not with damage it will be a details no-grade) - this was the feedback they provided to me.
"Prior to posting any review I just wanted to see if this is something we can first resolve. Would you be willing to refund 100 dollars?"
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As many suggested, I reported this to ebay. And blocked the buyer.
Then later, I took MasonG's advice and sent this reply: "I'm sorry you're not happy with the item. You are welcome to return it for a refund."
Surprisingly, when I checked my ebay messages the next day, I couldn't find the reply I'd sent. It was gone, poof, vanished. I guess ebay can erase messages; or maybe it got blocked, so there was no record of it successfully sent.
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@COCollector said:
Given the thread on the BST forum, I think I should post the full text of the only communication I received from the buyer:
"Dear sir,
"I purchased the Daniel Carr token which arrived yesterday, and I was so happy to get it. However, as I am sure you are most likely aware the token was damaged on the 6 ‘o’clock obverse edge which is pretty disappointing- please see photos
"Would you be willing to provide some partial refund or accept a return? Paying top cost for it should have been without any significant injury - at this point it cannot even be graded (ANACS grades Dan Carr coins but not with damage it will be a details no-grade) - this was the feedback they provided to me.
"Prior to posting any review I just wanted to see if this is something we can first resolve. Would you be willing to refund 100 dollars?"
===========
As many suggested, I reported this to ebay. And blocked the buyer.
Then later, I took MasonG's advice and sent this reply: "I'm sorry you're not happy with the item. You are welcome to return it for a refund."
Surprisingly, when I checked my ebay messages the next day, I couldn't find the reply I'd sent. It was gone, poof, vanished. I guess ebay can erase messages; or maybe it got blocked, so there was no record of it successfully sent.
Buyer gets a generic response about damage from the TPG and then applies it to your coin which has striking anomolies.
I've always believed that when someone "buys" a coin and then offers it around for sale that any return period has automatically ended. I don't think I am alone in that thought process, though ebay rules may not agree with me.
Apparently, although the buyer thought the medal you sold him was flawed, the pictures you took (and that he has copied) were satisfactory. Odd that the damage that he complained about and tried to use to get a $100 refund is not mentioned, though...
@TomB said:
I've always believed that when someone "buys" a coin and then offers it around for sale that any return period has automatically ended. I don't think I am alone in that thought process, though ebay rules may not agree with me.
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Agreed.
Otherwise, I'm beginning to think it works like a scam:
-- The "buyer" immediately complains about the coin, setting up a partial refund extortion or a 30-day return.
-- If the extortion doesn't work, the "buyer" has nearly 30 days to resell for profit. If it doesn't resell, the "buyer" returns the coin.
In essence, the "buyer" creates a no-risk no-cost inventory for himself.
And the original seller unknowingly takes all the risk.
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@TomB said:
I've always believed that when someone "buys" a coin and then offers it around for sale that any return period has automatically ended. I don't think I am alone in that thought process, though ebay rules may not agree with me.
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Agreed.
Otherwise, I'm beginning to think it works like a scam:
-- The "buyer" immediately complains about the coin, setting up a partial refund extortion or a 30-day return.
-- If the extortion doesn't work, the "buyer" has nearly 30 days to resell for profit. If it doesn't resell, the "buyer" returns the coin.
In essence, the "buyer" creates a no-risk no-cost inventory for himself.
And the original seller unknowingly takes all the risk.
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true and while i am not into blocking peeople unless necessary, the closer to the return deadline, the higher the odds i will block someone, depending on the issue. i auto block no communication auto return people. they are rare but a heads-up is nice. i had to go through a mild nightmare to be able to STOP these ebay auto returns (a software change on their end) so that it wouldn't generate labels automatically since i use an external shipping discount site. (non-numismatic)
i've forgone even any seller discount levels and have anything of decent value on 2 weeks still, until they FORCE me to switch. (which seems it is close) 2 weeks is bad enough, 30 is just madness and 60, someone needs slapped with a carp. (maybe some electronics used/refurb products aside).
In addition to the above, someone who uses another's inventory in that manner runs the risk of making said inventory stale and for poisoning the well in the listing venues where the inventory is offered. It might appear trivial, but these can be very real injuries for the original selling party and can reduce the value of an item in certain venues and/or destroy its liquidity.
@COCollector said:
Given the thread on the BST forum, I think I should post the full text of the only communication I received from the buyer:
"Dear sir,
"I purchased the Daniel Carr token which arrived yesterday, and I was so happy to get it. However, as I am sure you are most likely aware the token was damaged on the 6 ‘o’clock obverse edge which is pretty disappointing- please see photos
"Would you be willing to provide some partial refund or accept a return? Paying top cost for it should have been without any significant injury - at this point it cannot even be graded (ANACS grades Dan Carr coins but not with damage it will be a details no-grade) - this was the feedback they provided to me.
"Prior to posting any review I just wanted to see if this is something we can first resolve. Would you be willing to refund 100 dollars?"
===========
As many suggested, I reported this to ebay. And blocked the buyer.
Then later, I took MasonG's advice and sent this reply: "I'm sorry you're not happy with the item. You are welcome to return it for a refund."
Surprisingly, when I checked my ebay messages the next day, I couldn't find the reply I'd sent. It was gone, poof, vanished. I guess ebay can erase messages; or maybe it got blocked, so there was no record of it successfully sent.
Buyer gets a generic response about damage from the TPG and then applies it to your coin which has striking anomolies.
The small defects seen in the photo are typical of this particular issue. The planchets will always have some small irregularities right near the edge, as punched. Normally, that sort of thing does not show (and I endeavor to not have this happen). But due to the large diameter the striking forces that I applied were not too far from the maximum limit. If the buyer were to return that one and buy a different one, there is no guarantee that the replacement would be better than the first one.
Wow. If the buyer genuinely thought it wouldn't straight grade, it would be scumbaggy to list it for sale or trade without mentioning the defect, and if the buyer thought it was good enough to list without mentioning any defects, it would be scumbaggy to try to get a partial refund. Or am i missing something?
@COCollector said:
Given the thread on the BST forum, I think I should post the full text of the only communication I received from the buyer:
"Dear sir,
"I purchased the Daniel Carr token which arrived yesterday, and I was so happy to get it. However, as I am sure you are most likely aware the token was damaged on the 6 ‘o’clock obverse edge which is pretty disappointing- please see photos
"Would you be willing to provide some partial refund or accept a return? Paying top cost for it should have been without any significant injury - at this point it cannot even be graded (ANACS grades Dan Carr coins but not with damage it will be a details no-grade) - this was the feedback they provided to me.
"Prior to posting any review I just wanted to see if this is something we can first resolve. Would you be willing to refund 100 dollars?"
===========
As many suggested, I reported this to ebay. And blocked the buyer.
Then later, I took MasonG's advice and sent this reply: "I'm sorry you're not happy with the item. You are welcome to return it for a refund."
Surprisingly, when I checked my ebay messages the next day, I couldn't find the reply I'd sent. It was gone, poof, vanished. I guess ebay can erase messages; or maybe it got blocked, so there was no record of it successfully sent.
Buyer gets a generic response about damage from the TPG and then applies it to your coin which has striking anomolies.
The small defects seen in the photo are typical of this particular issue. The planchets will always have some small irregularities right near the edge, as punched. Normally, that sort of thing does not show (and I endeavor to not have this happen). But due to the large diameter the striking forces that I applied were not too far from the maximum limit. If the buyer were to return that one and buy a different one, there is no guarantee that the replacement would be better than the first one.
Dan, thank you for your post. It's a LOT more helpful than you might imagine.
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@TomB said:
I've always believed that when someone "buys" a coin and then offers it around for sale that any return period has automatically ended. I don't think I am alone in that thought process, though ebay rules may not agree with me.
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Agreed.
Otherwise, I'm beginning to think it works like a scam:
-- The "buyer" immediately complains about the coin, setting up a partial refund extortion or a 30-day return.
-- If the extortion doesn't work, the "buyer" has nearly 30 days to resell for profit. If it doesn't resell, the "buyer" returns the coin.
In essence, the "buyer" creates a no-risk no-cost inventory for himself.
And the original seller unknowingly takes all the risk.
It's also possible they are just trying to get rid of an item they dislike and you weren't forthcoming.
If you had a "no return" coin with a defect that you couldn't stop staring at, would you put it in your permanent collection or try to sell it?
@Atcarroll said:
Wow. If the buyer genuinely thought it wouldn't straight grade, it would be scumbaggy to list it for sale or trade without mentioning the defect, and if the buyer thought it was good enough to list without mentioning any defects, it would be scumbaggy to try to get a partial refund. Or am i missing something?
No, you're not missing something. Scumbaggy it is, absent a really good excuse.
@jmlanzaf said:
If you had a "no return" coin with a defect that you couldn't stop staring at, would you put it in your permanent collection or try to sell it?
If you had a "no return" coin with a defect that you couldn't stop staring at, would you put it in your permanent collection or try to sell it without disclosing the defect you can't stop staring at?
@jmlanzaf said:
If you had a "no return" coin with a defect that you couldn't stop staring at, would you put it in your permanent collection or try to sell it?
If you had a "no return" coin with a defect that you couldn't stop staring at, would you put it in your permanent collection or try to sell it without disclosing the defect you can't stop staring at?
Asking for a friend...
That's a slightly different issue than the one I was addressing. They were suggesting that the fact that he was trying to sell it while also trying to get ba discount or refund indicated a scam. To me, it just proves that he dislikes the coin.
To document the timeline:
-- order placed Fri 3/10
-- order shipped Fri 3/10
-- order delivered Mon 3/14
-- complaint received by me Tues 3/15 morning
-- I reported & blocked him Tues 3/15 evening
-- Buyer posted WTT on BST forum Wed 3/16 evening
-- Buyer posted his review Fri 3/18 morning, stating "seller never wrote me back after 5 business days so I’m forced to write this review"
So now I'm forced to craft yet another lengthy response to this mess. Very cathartic. Maybe I'll even post this one.
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@jmlanzaf said:
They were suggesting that the fact that he was trying to sell it while also trying to get ba discount or refund indicated a scam.
If someone is trying to get a discount or refund, he should probably resolve those issues before offering it for sale himself. IMO, anyway.
Maybe. But I'm not clear on where his request was. The OP was not offering either return or refund at one point.
I'm not defending or attacking anyone here. I have no horse in this race. But people are making a lot of accusations. To me, it's just a regrettable transaction.
It's also possible that the buyer accepted the verdict of this thread that it is not a defect and is moving on.
I do wonder how this thread reads if the buyer posted first.
To document the timeline:
-- order placed Fri 3/10
-- order shipped Fri 3/10
-- order delivered Mon 3/14
-- complaint received by me Tues 3/15 morning
-- I reported & blocked him Tues 3/15 evening
-- Buyer posted WTT on BST forum Wed 3/16 evening
-- Buyer posted his review Fri 3/18 morning, stating "seller never wrote me back after 5 business days so I’m forced to write this review"
So now I'm forced to craft yet another lengthy response to this mess. Very cathartic. Maybe I'll even post this one.
I'm confused. You never offered him a refund?
In any case, once you block him he can't message you anymore.
To document the timeline:
-- order placed Fri 3/10
-- order shipped Fri 3/10
-- order delivered Mon 3/14
-- complaint received by me Tues 3/15 morning
-- I reported & blocked him Tues 3/15 evening
-- Buyer posted WTT on BST forum Wed 3/16 evening
-- Buyer posted his review Fri 3/18 morning, stating "seller never wrote me back after 5 business days so I’m forced to write this review"
So now I'm forced to craft yet another lengthy response to this mess. Very cathartic. Maybe I'll even post this one.
I'm confused. You never offered him a refund?
In any case, once you block him he can't message you anymore.
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I distinctly remember sending a Reply message offering return & refund. I even looked at it again after sending it.
But when I looked for it the next day, the message was gone.
This was my first time blocking someone during a dispute... late-night fuzzy brain... IIRC I thought we could still exchange messages but he would be blocked from future purchases.
Lesson learned.
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"IIRC I thought we could still exchange messages but he would be blocked from future purchases."
This is correct, both parties can still message about the sold item but the buyer will be blocked from future purchases.
Depending on your block settings a blocked buyer can still contact you.
If you go to Buyer Management and scroll down you will see a toggle for "Don't allow blocked buyers to contact me"
@ifthevamzarockin said: "IIRC I thought we could still exchange messages but he would be blocked from future purchases."
This is correct, both parties can still message about the sold item but the buyer will be blocked from future purchases.
Depending on your block settings a blocked buyer can still contact you.
If you go to Buyer Management and scroll down you will see a toggle for "Don't allow blocked buyers to contact me"
Thank you, that's helpful.
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@COCollector said:
Given the thread on the BST forum, I think I should post the full text of the only communication I received from the buyer:
"Dear sir,
"I purchased the Daniel Carr token which arrived yesterday, and I was so happy to get it. However, as I am sure you are most likely aware the token was damaged on the 6 ‘o’clock obverse edge which is pretty disappointing- please see photos
"Would you be willing to provide some partial refund or accept a return? Paying top cost for it should have been without any significant injury - at this point it cannot even be graded (ANACS grades Dan Carr coins but not with damage it will be a details no-grade) - this was the feedback they provided to me.
"Prior to posting any review I just wanted to see if this is something we can first resolve. Would you be willing to refund 100 dollars?"
===========
As many suggested, I reported this to ebay. And blocked the buyer.
Then later, I took MasonG's advice and sent this reply: "I'm sorry you're not happy with the item. You are welcome to return it for a refund."
Surprisingly, when I checked my ebay messages the next day, I couldn't find the reply I'd sent. It was gone, poof, vanished. I guess ebay can erase messages; or maybe it got blocked, so there was no record of it successfully sent.
Buyer gets a generic response about damage from the TPG and then applies it to your coin which has striking anomolies.
The small defects seen in the photo are typical of this particular issue. The planchets will always have some small irregularities right near the edge, as punched. Normally, that sort of thing does not show (and I endeavor to not have this happen). But due to the large diameter the striking forces that I applied were not too far from the maximum limit. If the buyer were to return that one and buy a different one, there is no guarantee that the replacement would be better than the first one.
Dan, thank you for your post. It's a LOT more helpful than you might imagine.
Glad to help.
I would offer to buy it back at the issue price ($125 plus $10 ship = $135 total).
I'm pretty sure you can get a fair amount more than that for it.
But the offer stands if everything else falls through.
On a side note: what the heck is this new eBay "feedback left by others"? The above neutral feedback isn't on the OP's "As a Seller" feedback. This is the first I've seen this, and I am curious what it means and who sees it.
@braddick said:
On a side note: what the heck is this new eBay "feedback left by others"? The above neutral feedback isn't on the OP's "As a Seller" feedback. This is the first I've seen this, and I am curious what it means and who sees it.
I think he meant "Left for others" and that has been available for several years.
@ChrisH821 said:
No one here is asking the real questions: Since when could you upload videos to eBay?? I wish more sellers did that.
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I think it's a new ebay feature. I've uploaded several videos in the past month or so.
It's just as easy as uploading photos. But only one video per listing.
And it's limited to max of ~1 minute. No problem, I think a 25 - 30 second video is about right for a coin.
Downside: For now, it takes a day or two before the video goes live in the listing. I'm guessing it's just a quick check that the video plays properly, not sideways or upside down.
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@Atcarroll said:
Wow. If the buyer genuinely thought it wouldn't straight grade, it would be scumbaggy to list it for sale or trade without mentioning the defect, and if the buyer thought it was good enough to list without mentioning any defects, it would be scumbaggy to try to get a partial refund. Or am i missing something?
It’s just your garden variety Sleazebay con artist/parasite.
@Atcarroll said:
Wow. If the buyer genuinely thought it wouldn't straight grade, it would be scumbaggy to list it for sale or trade without mentioning the defect, and if the buyer thought it was good enough to list without mentioning any defects, it would be scumbaggy to try to get a partial refund. Or am i missing something?
It’s just your garden variety Sleazebay con artist/parasite.
@Atcarroll said:
Wow. If the buyer genuinely thought it wouldn't straight grade, it would be scumbaggy to list it for sale or trade without mentioning the defect, and if the buyer thought it was good enough to list without mentioning any defects, it would be scumbaggy to try to get a partial refund. Or am i missing something?
It’s just your garden variety Sleazebay con artist/parasite.
@Atcarroll said:
Wow. If the buyer genuinely thought it wouldn't straight grade, it would be scumbaggy to list it for sale or trade without mentioning the defect, and if the buyer thought it was good enough to list without mentioning any defects, it would be scumbaggy to try to get a partial refund. Or am i missing something?
It’s just your garden variety Sleazebay con artist/parasite.
@Atcarroll said:
Wow. If the buyer genuinely thought it wouldn't straight grade, it would be scumbaggy to list it for sale or trade without mentioning the defect, and if the buyer thought it was good enough to list without mentioning any defects, it would be scumbaggy to try to get a partial refund. Or am i missing something?
It’s just your garden variety Sleazebay con artist/parasite.
@TomB said:
I've always believed that when someone "buys" a coin and then offers it around for sale that any return period has automatically ended. I don't think I am alone in that thought process, though ebay rules may not agree with me.
Correct on both counts. Every time I > @braddick said:
On a side note: what the heck is this new eBay "feedback left by others"? The above neutral feedback isn't on the OP's "As a Seller" feedback. This is the first I've seen this, and I am curious what it means and who sees it.
On every feedback profile that isn’t private you can see what feedback the user has left. If someone asks me a question that seems like it could be trouble or starts something with a purchase that doesn’t sit right, it’s my first task because then I can get a feel for who I’m dealing with. I’ve blocked people for asking simple questions because I’ve been led to see they’ve left a lot of negatives and I can only imagine are problem buyers. This display option has been available for a very long time.
So - thanks to the poster that brought this post to my attention - I don’t read posts every day so missed out on it up to now, despite being accused of being silent I just didn’t see it.
The seller never responded to my request for mitigation on eBay. I see he says he tried to respond but I didn’t get it, and waited at least 3 days. Also of note, the seller did not offer a refund on the original listing (which I normally do not buy from listing that offer no return policy but I took a chance on this one) - that’s why I wrote the letter, not to “extort” the person, good grief. I have only written one negative review on EBay (this one, and mainly just because the seller never wrote me back) - if he had accepted refunds I would’ve just applied for a refund and been done with it. Also I paid way over original price of 135, it was closer to 200 dollars. So he made a nice profit off of the item - which is fine.
If he would have offered even just a condolence in a reply I would have accepted it. Instead, he chooses to shame me on the forum.
I do want to sell it and if someone showed interest I would certainly disclose the damage and had intended to sell at a loss. It not not just because of the damage but actually because I purchased the wrong one, I was actually after that 1921 anniversary issue - which I also purchased a few days later, if someone wants to confirm you will see that is true, so I was going to sell the original one, although if no interest I may just keep it at this point. I didn’t post it on eBay, only to see if a fellow collector on the forum would be interested. Again, if there had been interest I intended to sell at a lower cost than I paid and paid would disclose the damage.
I suppose the seller was successful at his attempts to shame me - that’s fine, but it wasn’t necessary. I do apologize, however, for causing all of this and for the seller to be upset. I should have and could handled it better on my side.
Wish all the best,
@Che_Grapes said:
I do want to sell it and if someone showed interest I would certainly disclose the damage...
Why not disclose the damage in your original offer?
You are right, I should have - and I didn’t disclose price either. But if there had been interest I would have sent pictures and gone from there.
Meanwhile - I do note that the seller admits he knew about the damage (even provided his own photo) in the thread above, yet sold it to me without disclosing it on the eBay listing and with no refund policy! Just sayin!
Comments
Given the thread on the BST forum, I think I should post the full text of the only communication I received from the buyer:
"Dear sir,
"I purchased the Daniel Carr token which arrived yesterday, and I was so happy to get it. However, as I am sure you are most likely aware the token was damaged on the 6 ‘o’clock obverse edge which is pretty disappointing- please see photos
"Would you be willing to provide some partial refund or accept a return? Paying top cost for it should have been without any significant injury - at this point it cannot even be graded (ANACS grades Dan Carr coins but not with damage it will be a details no-grade) - this was the feedback they provided to me.
"Prior to posting any review I just wanted to see if this is something we can first resolve. Would you be willing to refund 100 dollars?"
===========
As many suggested, I reported this to ebay. And blocked the buyer.
Then later, I took MasonG's advice and sent this reply: "I'm sorry you're not happy with the item. You are welcome to return it for a refund."
Surprisingly, when I checked my ebay messages the next day, I couldn't find the reply I'd sent. It was gone, poof, vanished. I guess ebay can erase messages; or maybe it got blocked, so there was no record of it successfully sent.
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I believe once you block someone on ebay you cannot communicate with them unless you unblock them.
Thank you, Heavenly Father, for first loving us.
Verrry interesting....
Good work!
Buyer gets a generic response about damage from the TPG and then applies it to your coin which has striking anomolies.
I've always believed that when someone "buys" a coin and then offers it around for sale that any return period has automatically ended. I don't think I am alone in that thought process, though ebay rules may not agree with me.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Apparently, although the buyer thought the medal you sold him was flawed, the pictures you took (and that he has copied) were satisfactory. Odd that the damage that he complained about and tried to use to get a $100 refund is not mentioned, though...
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Agreed.
Otherwise, I'm beginning to think it works like a scam:
-- The "buyer" immediately complains about the coin, setting up a partial refund extortion or a 30-day return.
-- If the extortion doesn't work, the "buyer" has nearly 30 days to resell for profit. If it doesn't resell, the "buyer" returns the coin.
In essence, the "buyer" creates a no-risk no-cost inventory for himself.
And the original seller unknowingly takes all the risk.
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true and while i am not into blocking peeople unless necessary, the closer to the return deadline, the higher the odds i will block someone, depending on the issue. i auto block no communication auto return people. they are rare but a heads-up is nice. i had to go through a mild nightmare to be able to STOP these ebay auto returns (a software change on their end) so that it wouldn't generate labels automatically since i use an external shipping discount site. (non-numismatic)
i've forgone even any seller discount levels and have anything of decent value on 2 weeks still, until they FORCE me to switch. (which seems it is close) 2 weeks is bad enough, 30 is just madness and 60, someone needs slapped with a carp. (maybe some electronics used/refurb products aside).
In addition to the above, someone who uses another's inventory in that manner runs the risk of making said inventory stale and for poisoning the well in the listing venues where the inventory is offered. It might appear trivial, but these can be very real injuries for the original selling party and can reduce the value of an item in certain venues and/or destroy its liquidity.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
The small defects seen in the photo are typical of this particular issue. The planchets will always have some small irregularities right near the edge, as punched. Normally, that sort of thing does not show (and I endeavor to not have this happen). But due to the large diameter the striking forces that I applied were not too far from the maximum limit. If the buyer were to return that one and buy a different one, there is no guarantee that the replacement would be better than the first one.
Wow. If the buyer genuinely thought it wouldn't straight grade, it would be scumbaggy to list it for sale or trade without mentioning the defect, and if the buyer thought it was good enough to list without mentioning any defects, it would be scumbaggy to try to get a partial refund. Or am i missing something?
ANACS will not grade that piece because it's 50.0 mm
Since no one will call him out...although I'm sure he's watching this! @Che_Grapes
Dan, thank you for your post. It's a LOT more helpful than you might imagine.
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It's also possible they are just trying to get rid of an item they dislike and you weren't forthcoming.
If you had a "no return" coin with a defect that you couldn't stop staring at, would you put it in your permanent collection or try to sell it?
No, you're not missing something. Scumbaggy it is, absent a really good excuse.
If you had a "no return" coin with a defect that you couldn't stop staring at, would you put it in your permanent collection or try to sell it without disclosing the defect you can't stop staring at?
Asking for a friend...
On the BBL
That's a slightly different issue than the one I was addressing. They were suggesting that the fact that he was trying to sell it while also trying to get ba discount or refund indicated a scam. To me, it just proves that he dislikes the coin.
But, yes, he should disclose the "defect".
If someone is trying to get a discount or refund, he should probably resolve those issues before offering it for sale himself. IMO, anyway.
Update: Annoyingly, this morning the buyer posted feedback under "Left for others":
https://www.ebay.com/fdbk/feedback_profile/grape_6078?filter=feedback_page:All&_trksid=p2545226.m2531.l4585
To document the timeline:
-- order placed Fri 3/10
-- order shipped Fri 3/10
-- order delivered Mon 3/14
-- complaint received by me Tues 3/15 morning
-- I reported & blocked him Tues 3/15 evening
-- Buyer posted WTT on BST forum Wed 3/16 evening
-- Buyer posted his review Fri 3/18 morning, stating "seller never wrote me back after 5 business days so I’m forced to write this review"
So now I'm forced to craft yet another lengthy response to this mess. Very cathartic. Maybe I'll even post this one.
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Maybe. But I'm not clear on where his request was. The OP was not offering either return or refund at one point.
I'm not defending or attacking anyone here. I have no horse in this race. But people are making a lot of accusations. To me, it's just a regrettable transaction.
It's also possible that the buyer accepted the verdict of this thread that it is not a defect and is moving on.
I do wonder how this thread reads if the buyer posted first.
from the picture it looks like a die crack to me, making it extremely rare.
I'm confused. You never offered him a refund?
In any case, once you block him he can't message you anymore.
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Sorry to increase your frustration here. This buyer no matter who it is just is not versed in buying coins off ebay
According to the OP, the buyer claimed the item was damaged. An "as struck" defect is not the same thing as damage. IMO, of course.
edited to add... Based on the feedback the seller received, the buyer does claim "damage".
Mint error? lol
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I distinctly remember sending a Reply message offering return & refund. I even looked at it again after sending it.
But when I looked for it the next day, the message was gone.
This was my first time blocking someone during a dispute... late-night fuzzy brain... IIRC I thought we could still exchange messages but he would be blocked from future purchases.
Lesson learned.
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"IIRC I thought we could still exchange messages but he would be blocked from future purchases."
This is correct, both parties can still message about the sold item but the buyer will be blocked from future purchases.
Depending on your block settings a blocked buyer can still contact you.
If you go to Buyer Management and scroll down you will see a toggle for "Don't allow blocked buyers to contact me"
Thank you, that's helpful.
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Glad to help.
I would offer to buy it back at the issue price ($125 plus $10 ship = $135 total).
I'm pretty sure you can get a fair amount more than that for it.
But the offer stands if everything else falls through.
On a side note: what the heck is this new eBay "feedback left by others"? The above neutral feedback isn't on the OP's "As a Seller" feedback. This is the first I've seen this, and I am curious what it means and who sees it.
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I think he meant "Left for others" and that has been available for several years.
No one here is asking the real questions: Since when could you upload videos to eBay?? I wish more sellers did that.
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I believe that this is a fairly new and recent thing that they added.
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Yes, they added it about 6 weeks ago.
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I think it's a new ebay feature. I've uploaded several videos in the past month or so.
It's just as easy as uploading photos. But only one video per listing.
And it's limited to max of ~1 minute. No problem, I think a 25 - 30 second video is about right for a coin.
Downside: For now, it takes a day or two before the video goes live in the listing. I'm guessing it's just a quick check that the video plays properly, not sideways or upside down.
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eBay added a new video feature recently but there was a way to post videos before. I had a how to thread last year but no one seemed interested.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1059371/did-you-know-that-its-possible-to-add-a-video-in-your-ebay-listing
It’s just your garden variety Sleazebay con artist/parasite.
Ummm....it's apparently a member of THIS forum.
Who remains silent!
Correct on both counts. Every time I > @braddick said:
On every feedback profile that isn’t private you can see what feedback the user has left. If someone asks me a question that seems like it could be trouble or starts something with a purchase that doesn’t sit right, it’s my first task because then I can get a feel for who I’m dealing with. I’ve blocked people for asking simple questions because I’ve been led to see they’ve left a lot of negatives and I can only imagine are problem buyers. This display option has been available for a very long time.
So - thanks to the poster that brought this post to my attention - I don’t read posts every day so missed out on it up to now, despite being accused of being silent I just didn’t see it.
The seller never responded to my request for mitigation on eBay. I see he says he tried to respond but I didn’t get it, and waited at least 3 days. Also of note, the seller did not offer a refund on the original listing (which I normally do not buy from listing that offer no return policy but I took a chance on this one) - that’s why I wrote the letter, not to “extort” the person, good grief. I have only written one negative review on EBay (this one, and mainly just because the seller never wrote me back) - if he had accepted refunds I would’ve just applied for a refund and been done with it. Also I paid way over original price of 135, it was closer to 200 dollars. So he made a nice profit off of the item - which is fine.
If he would have offered even just a condolence in a reply I would have accepted it. Instead, he chooses to shame me on the forum.
I do want to sell it and if someone showed interest I would certainly disclose the damage and had intended to sell at a loss. It not not just because of the damage but actually because I purchased the wrong one, I was actually after that 1921 anniversary issue - which I also purchased a few days later, if someone wants to confirm you will see that is true, so I was going to sell the original one, although if no interest I may just keep it at this point. I didn’t post it on eBay, only to see if a fellow collector on the forum would be interested. Again, if there had been interest I intended to sell at a lower cost than I paid and paid would disclose the damage.
I suppose the seller was successful at his attempts to shame me - that’s fine, but it wasn’t necessary. I do apologize, however, for causing all of this and for the seller to be upset. I should have and could handled it better on my side.
Wish all the best,
This was the one I actually wanted ... that was the main reason to sell the first one. Again, I would have disclosed the damage and sold at a loss ..
"but actually because I purchased the wrong one"
Sounds like we are getting to the core of what's going on.
"I paid way over original price of 135"
So you know the issue price and that they sell for more but you feel it was okay to offer $100?
Why not disclose the damage in your original offer?
@Che_Grapes You should contact ebay and revise your feedback.
You are right, I should have - and I didn’t disclose price either. But if there had been interest I would have sent pictures and gone from there.
Meanwhile - I do note that the seller admits he knew about the damage (even provided his own photo) in the thread above, yet sold it to me without disclosing it on the eBay listing and with no refund policy! Just sayin!
Did you note that the person who actually made these explains that it's an as-minted defect, not damage?