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1922 low relief matte proof peace dollar


  • ccmorganccmorgan Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭

    Where did you find that?
    Too bad about that spot on the reverse.

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 20,298 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks to me like a smoothly worn, typical 1922 Peace dollar.

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  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,583 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    congrats on your find - although it has the look to me as a chinese counterfeit

    That was my first reaction as well.

  • I got that at an estate sale

  • Go in, say your going to buy rooms. Buy the whole room, a cheap one. Then ask for any coins. Pick out. Say you’re coming back for the rest of the rooms later.

  • MarkKelleyMarkKelley Posts: 1,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not a proof, and probably not silver. Weight?

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 22,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why do you believe this coin is a matte proof?

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 22,532 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Melior_Invenidiste said:
    Go in, say your going to buy rooms. Buy the whole room, a cheap one. Then ask for any coins. Pick out. Say you’re coming back for the rest of the rooms later.

    Sounds like a lot of BS to simply purchase an altered Buffalo nickel along with a damaged Peace dollar.


  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,595 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Let's see, 1922 matte proof Peace dollars....... Coin Facts says that 5-8 are suspected to exist. I've held and examined a couple of them. Your new estate sale "discovery" will not cause that number to change. You'll be lucky if it's even made of silver.

  • ThreeCentSilverFLThreeCentSilverFL Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Melior_Invenidiste said:
    You’ve polished my die on this one enough. Lol.

    Best part of this whole post! I LOL’ed.

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,665 ✭✭✭✭✭

    At first glance it looks like a chinese fake to me the "ghost type" tone. I have been wrong before.

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 7,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It is a genuine 1922 Peace silver dollar. But not a matte proof.

    The appearance of it is similar to what I achieve when I antique a newly-minted item.
    Like this:

    As struck:

    After antique process:

    In other words, I could take any ordinary Peace Dollar and make it look like the coin posted.

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 22,532 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Slightly heat the coin. Apply shoe polish. Let dry. Buff off the excess.
    Or, perhaps the method has improved over the last couple of decades?


  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 31,841 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m just going to live long enough to see mine antique slowly

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You might try acetone to remove the stain on the reverse.... Might work, might not..... Good luck. Cheers, RickO

  • FloridafacelifterFloridafacelifter Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Anyone know how the mint antiqued the genuine 1922 High Relief proof Peace $?

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,260 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If I were going to try to fake this look I think I would pickle the coin in Jewelluster for several days, turning it over every day so that the acid gets at both sides equally. Then add the darkening agent and buff.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Floridafacelifter said:
    Anyone know how the mint antiqued the genuine 1922 High Relief proof Peace $?

    Are you speaking of their typical finish? If so, they were sand-blasted. If you're asking about something else, I'm largely clueless. ;)

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld, there is a 1922 High Relief dollar in an antiqued finish certified by our hosts. There is also a 1921 entry. You can see the CoinFacts page for the 1922 by typing “PCGS 97382” into your browser. Other than that I can’t help answer the question about how it was produced. :smile:

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,476 ✭✭✭✭✭

    is this it? Does it have 8 rays under the tail?

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you, @FlyingAl.

    Here's a link to the Heritage auction description of the coin: https://coins.ha.com/itm/proof-peace-dollars/1922-1-high-relief-sandblasted-antique-finish-judd-2018-r8-sp64-pcgs-secure/a/1291-4604.s

    I have copied part of the description below - please see the last paragraph, which I think might partially answer the question posed by @Floridafacelifter.

    The Present Coin
    Judd-2018 was unknown in 2005, when Roger Burdette published his excellent Renaissance of American Coinage, 1916-1921. However, Burdette published a letter on page 219 of his reference from Philadelphia Mint Superintendent Freas Styer to Mint Director Baker that reveals the origin of the present coin:


    As per your request I am enclosing herewith two Peace dollars, one of the coinage of 1921 and one of 1922, with reduced border, sand blasted and finished to show all the details of the work.

    "I am also enclosing two other pieces, one of the coinage of 1921 and one of 1922, both being bright pieces, for comparison.

    "I will thank you to return these coins when they have served your purpose.

    "We have just tried a stack of twenty pieces of the coin with the reduced border against twenty coins of the old design and find very little difference between the two stacks, the 'Peace' dollars being very slightly higher than the old.

    "For your information will say the dies shipped to San Francisco and Denver are similar to those from which the coins of 1922 herewith enclosed were struck.


    We believe this coin, from the estate of Mint Director Raymond T. Baker, is the second piece referenced in the letter above, the 1922 High Relief Peace dollar that was sandblasted and treated with an antique charcoal finish to accent the fine details of the design. A specimen of the 1921 High Relief Peace dollar, also from Baker's estate, was offered in a Stack's Bowers auction in 2014. That coin features the same antique finish as the present piece, a finish that is unique to these two specimens in the entire Peace dollar series. Undoubtedly, that piece is the first coin mentioned in Styer's letter.

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  • FloridafacelifterFloridafacelifter Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just had two questions about these two coins in particular:

    1) I wondered what they used to antique the sandblasted antiqued example below:

    2) And the one below is just sandblasted but if you look at the rim at 9 o’clock it looks like the grayish coating is rubbing off- does sandblasting coat the surface of the coin with something- I just thought it roughed up the surface and made it look sandy

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Floridafacelifter For your second question, no matter what proof process the mint applied, the finish should not just rub off. The mint used three different full finished for proofs in this time period- Satin, Sandblast, and Matte. I’m sure you’ve heard of these. I have heard different processes were used for different coins, but am not sure what was used for this coin. It appears to me that the dies were sandblasted for this one and the rubbing you notice is just toning.

    This is how I understand it:

    If the coin was a Satin proof sandblasted after striking, it is a Sandblast proof with a finish identical to the Sandblast gold produced 1911-1916. If the dies were sandblasted, the coin is a Matte proof. If the coin was struck by dies without any special preparation with no special finish done afterwards, it is a Satin proof.

    Either way, the finish should not rub off since the sandblasting for Sandblast proofs is a pitting process to the coin that changes the surface, or the dies should have been permanently altered. However, contact with other coins could create a mark that would change the surface to where it is not the same as the rest- the mark could cause a mirror surface in theory.

  • FloridafacelifterFloridafacelifter Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FlyingAl said:

    Thank you very much for a simple yet elegant explanation that makes a lot of sense. I actually think coin #2 is classified as a Matte Proof and the shiny spot at 9 o’clock must just be a contact mark

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Floridafacelifter Glad I could help! I also think that it is a Matte proof, it is not grainy enough to be a Sandblast proof and not reflective enough for a Satin proof.

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