Deceptive counterfeit carson city morgan for sale
goldrealmoney79
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This one is more deceptive than most. Does not have the more typical pitted look, and has some circulation marks, with some toning, once again not the typical toning seen on fakes.
The giveaway is that the reverse is of a 79 not a 78. You can see the raised breast still.
If someone could post pics for education and reference
https://www.ebay.com/itm/194815032555?hash=item2d5be17ceb:g:-woAAOSwbU9iBUyM
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ahh. the good ol' rev of 79 large CC 1878. a rarity even amongst counterfeits.
nice find @goldrealmoney79
oops. forgot the image.
The reverse of 79 on the CC makes it an easy to spot counterfeit
Seller may not know it’s counterfeit
Thanks for the pictures and the link. Cheers, RickO
The seller messaged me that someone sent a nasty message to him. i hope it wasn’t anyone here, as many sellers don’t know they’re offering counterfeits. In the absence of information indicating that a seller knows he’s selling a counterfeit, I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
There are some scammers and shady folks, I have had a few folks come in knowing what they were selling was bogus, but as soon as they realized they were'nt dealing with a newbie, they quickly left.
But I agree with mark,
I have also had several people who really had no idea what they had was fake or not what they thought genuinely surprised to find out, and after educating them, although disappointed, appreciated the info I gave them.
Is there anything about the obverse or the reverse independently that would flag this as a counerfeit?
Just look at the mintmark.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
yes.
the off-color of the faux aging and the color of the coin itself (lighting variations aside) and the usual larger than normal gaps between a lot of the devices, hair especially is off far enough to those with intimate knowledge of morgans that it stands out immediatley. this isn't even close to the average nor the worst but it is obvious. the center of the coin is usually much shallower for the relief of the bolls, hair, ear, liberty etc.
if we had say, a TV, of this coin. we could rip it to shreds. this is most likely natural ambient light with a chance of being non-incandescent bulbs.
at the VERY least, there are red flags that should steer people away but obviously the coin looks like a morgan dollar so it is going to slide through for some people. but if you were to drop it on a solid wood table and/or weigh it or put it next to a real 78-cc, it falls apart immediately.
NEVER EVER discount the power of side-by-side comparison (more than one is best). been doing it since year one in numismatics and will be doing it to the last.
Lance thank you for the nice explanation. I myself cannot tell if it’s counterfeit because on my non-experience to do so. But then I do not own any CC variations due to the cost and if I ever did decide to buy one it would be a graded one. Again thank you for giving that explanation I did not have to continue to guess as some of the other answers left me to guess. I for sure know better to stay away from raw coins.
With all due respect, that’s not deceptive. At least, not to me.
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d/l my morgan CC image comp. that would have revealed this to be counterfeit quickly. ALWAYS start with the date/mm of any coin until you become very familiar with a series and even after then those 2 are still great indicators.
if you notice for 78cc, it does not come with the large CC/