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1893-O Morgan - Grade Estimates?

AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭✭✭

For sale locally (New Zealand) but no chance to see in hand. Around here, common dates tend to sell for too much and keys are often undervalued. There could be an opportunity but I’m no Morgan expert. Seeking input…

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,070 ✭✭✭✭✭


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  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,746 ✭✭✭✭✭

    agreed, 58


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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58 would be my guess..... The hit on the cheek hurts it.... Cheers, RickO

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    im in the 55 camp

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  • sumduncesumdunce Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭✭

    AU55 VAM-5 would be my guess

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 22,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coin hopefully looks better in hand as the image creates significant doubts as to the quality of the surfaces. There is an obverse rim distraction at the U in UNUM that should not effect the grade. It is in the AU spectrum and looks to be a nice album coin for a raw Morgan set or a Type coin set for one that seeks a better date from New Orleans.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,720 ✭✭✭✭✭

    55 but too many distracting marks on the obverse for my taste. I especially dislike the damage to the date.

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    also in the 55 camp...could be cleaned, hard to tell from the pics.

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerguy21D said:
    I’m going with 55, only because it seems to lack luster. Details look 58 though.

    This... coin could look better in hand though...

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  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 2,995 ✭✭✭✭✭

    55 camp here

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  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,542 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 10, 2022 3:17PM

    55, too many contact marks in prime focal and handling in fields for a pcgs 58. I am on my screen at store which is not as good as monitor at home, so I cant judge the luster as well here, but dont be surprised if the coin goes 53. If the luster is not bang bang fresh, those marks and such will lower to a 53 IMO.

    Edited to add: I am at home now, definitely wont do better than 53

  • AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for the good input. The auction - on our local version of eBay - ends in a couple of days. We'll see...

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 22,170 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe it's just me, but I'm seeing a XF45 :#

  • coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agree with the 55 grade and subdued luster in photo. As the 58 price almost doubles from the 55, I would not purchase raw at a 58 price.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,070 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @asheland said:
    Maybe it's just me, but I'm seeing a XF45 :#

    No maybe about it - it is just you.😉

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  • baseballjeffbaseballjeff Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭

    I was thinking 53

  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,939 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @baseballjeff said:
    I was thinking 53

    I agree.

  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 5,944 ✭✭✭✭✭

    53-55, def cleaned.

  • coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dipped for sure, stripped of some of its luster, a good chance it was.

  • HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @asheland said: Maybe it's just me, but I'm seeing a XF45

    At least if you are grading by PCGS standards, I think you’ll change your mind if you take a quick look at photograde. The coin in question appears nicer than the 55 example, but not quite as nice as the 58. This is pretty consistent with the consensus emerging here.

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  • 59Horsehide59Horsehide Posts: 427 ✭✭✭


  • AU50-AU53, that is if it didn't come back cleaned. There are several long scratches on the reverse, hits on the obverse including a rim bruise at 2:00, and enough rub to create a distinguised halo effect around the devices which is cause for concern.

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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 21,756 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Details I think it’s a higher AU. I don’t think the surfaces are natural, and while lighting plays into it, my gut was that it’s at least been wiped rather than just dipped. Based on the surfaces I’m not a huge fan regardless, but if wiped or worse it may well be a details coin and not a straight grade.

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  • AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coin is most likely to sell for AU50 money which, of course, would mean some nice upside if it went higher. Just as obviously, XF and/or details wouldn’t be a pleasant outcome… Probably not headed my way.

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  • AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just for the heck of it, here’s the one I already have:

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,070 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Aotearoa said:
    Just for the heck of it, here’s the one I already have:

    I like that one much better.

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  • Farmer1961Farmer1961 Posts: 65 ✭✭✭

    I will say AU 53 or 55. Like stated quite a few contact marks on the face of miss Liberty.

  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is where I’m at AU-53/5 cleaned but still a upgrade from a F-15. Cool 👍🏼

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