Home U.S. Coin Forum

Why did I receive a 1099 from paypal for 2021?

OPAOPA Posts: 17,131 ✭✭✭✭✭

showing 7 transactions for a total of $625? With one for a "friend & family" transaction It appears, that paypal is sending out 1099 for ff transactions which are not involved in any type of sale. My grand daughter also received one and she did receive several ff gifts.

"Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."

Comments

  • djmdjm Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Check your States Laws in some states $600.00 is the limit for PayPal to send out 1099's.
    Don't ever send people money via PayPal, Zelle, Venmo...Once they receive over $600 in gifts or reimbursements, they will receive a 1099.

    If your granddaughter's gross income is less than the standard deduction, she doesn.t need to file income taxes.

  • JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @djm said:
    Check your States Laws in some states $600.00 is the limit for PayPal to send out 1099's.
    Don't ever send people money via PayPal, Zelle, Venmo...Once they receive over $600 in gifts or reimbursements, they will receive a 1099.

    If your granddaughter's gross income is less than the standard deduction, she doesn.t need to file income taxes.

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,131 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Instructions for payee. "You have received this form because you have either: (a) accepted payment cards for payments, or (b) received payments through a third party network that exceeded $20,000 in gross total reportable...etc..etc (200 transactions).

    It appears I fell into (a), so therefore, if you have a credit card tied in with your paypal account and received payments via friends and family, you will received a 1099? Am I correct in assuming that? If so, what are the drawbacks in removing the cc tied in with your paypal account?

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,271 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OPA said:
    showing 7 transactions for a total of $625? With one for a "friend & family" transaction It appears, that paypal is sending out 1099 for ff transactions which are not involved in any type of sale. My grand daughter also received one and she did receive several ff gifts.

    Refer all PayPal questions to @ErrorsOnCoins ;)

  • JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OPA said:
    Instructions for payee. "You have received this form because you have either: (a) accepted payment cards for payments, or (b) received payments through a third party network that exceeded $20,000 in gross total reportable...etc..etc (200 transactions).

    It appears I fell into (a), so therefore, if you have a credit card tied in with your paypal account and received payments via friends and family, you will received a 1099? Am I correct in assuming that? If so, what are the drawbacks in removing the cc tied in with your paypal account?

    It says “ you have accepted payment cards” that doesn’t say anything about you having a payment card.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,400 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This does not affect me, but for those of you buying and selling, what happens if you buy something on eBay and pay for it with Paypal, receive the item and return it for some valid reason, and then receive a refund from Paypal. Will that refund be lumped in with other monies received from Paypal, and thus be reported on a 1099 as taxable income to you?

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,131 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JimTyler said:

    @OPA said:
    Instructions for payee. "You have received this form because you have either: (a) accepted payment cards for payments, or (b) received payments through a third party network that exceeded $20,000 in gross total reportable...etc..etc (200 transactions).

    It appears I fell into (a), so therefore, if you have a credit card tied in with your paypal account and received payments via friends and family, you will received a 1099? Am I correct in assuming that? If so, what are the drawbacks in removing the cc tied in with your paypal account?

    It says “ you have accepted payment cards” that doesn’t say anything about you having a payment card.

    It appears, if some one sends me funds via a cc, I'm part of the (a) category? However, if funds received are from existing balances or from a checking account, would that eliminate the 1099 criteria?

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,271 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    This does not affect me, but for those of you buying and selling, what happens if you buy something on eBay and pay for it with Paypal, receive the item and return it for some valid reason, and then receive a refund from Paypal. Will that refund be lumped in with other monies received from Paypal, and thus be reported on a 1099 as taxable income to you?

    Refunds are in a separate category on PayPal.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,271 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OPA said:

    @JimTyler said:

    @OPA said:
    Instructions for payee. "You have received this form because you have either: (a) accepted payment cards for payments, or (b) received payments through a third party network that exceeded $20,000 in gross total reportable...etc..etc (200 transactions).

    It appears I fell into (a), so therefore, if you have a credit card tied in with your paypal account and received payments via friends and family, you will received a 1099? Am I correct in assuming that? If so, what are the drawbacks in removing the cc tied in with your paypal account?

    It says “ you have accepted payment cards” that doesn’t say anything about you having a payment card.

    It appears, if some one sends me funds via a cc, I'm part of the (a) category? However, if funds received are from existing balances or from a checking account, would that eliminate the 1099 criteria?

    It would eliminate (a) not (b).

  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great googly, this is getting messy... 1099s sent just for sending someone a few hundred dollars? I hope GPay doesn't start that nonsense!

    100th pint of blood donated 7/19/2022 B) . Transactions with WilliamF, Relaxn, LukeMarshal, jclovescoins, braddick, JWP, Weather11am, Fairlaneman, Dscoins, lordmarcovan, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, JimW. God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that who so believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.
  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This scenario will be my fun one. I hope I took in enough through other means not to have to worry about it.

    I have 2 ebay and 2 paypal accounts. For my lesser ebay account I have a paypal account linked to it that is not linked to my bank. I ended up selling quite a bit on my lesser account. So I would transfer the money to my paypal account which is linked to a bank.

    I mention this because I have a good friend who is a dealer. He would withdraw 5 figures out of his account for almost every show he went to. Then he would deposit it back if he didn't use it. The IRS flagged him on his deposits. It took him years and a bunch of lawyer bucks to get it straightened out. :s The IRS was treating it like income.

  • ms71ms71 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am sooo glad I'm not a dealer.

    Successful BST transactions: EagleEye, Christos, Proofmorgan,
    Coinlearner, Ahrensdad, Nolawyer, RG, coinlieutenant, Yorkshireman, lordmarcovan, Soldi, masscrew, JimTyler, Relaxn, jclovescoins

    Now listen boy, I'm tryin' to teach you sumthin' . . . . that ain't no optical illusion, it only looks like an optical illusion.

    My mind reader refuses to charge me....
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,271 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ms71 said:
    I am sooo glad I'm not a dealer.

    In your eyes, or the eyes of the IRS?

  • CommemDudeCommemDude Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Suppose you and your spouse have separate accounts, ANY amount of money you sent to your spouse via paypal FF is non- taxable. And any gift you give or receive up to 15,000 a year is not reportable and non-taxable . Anyone know how to deal with that hot mess on a tax return?

    Dr Mikey
    Commems and Early Type
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,271 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CommemDude said:
    Suppose you and your spouse have separate accounts, ANY amount of money you sent to your spouse via paypal FF is non- taxable. And any gift you give or receive up to 15,000 a year is not reportable and non-taxable . Anyone know how to deal with that hot mess on a tax return?

    Contact the IRS.

    Form 709, perhaps?

  • ms71ms71 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @ms71 said:
    I am sooo glad I'm not a dealer.

    In your eyes, or the eyes of the IRS?

    Both, it must be a nightmare.

    Successful BST transactions: EagleEye, Christos, Proofmorgan,
    Coinlearner, Ahrensdad, Nolawyer, RG, coinlieutenant, Yorkshireman, lordmarcovan, Soldi, masscrew, JimTyler, Relaxn, jclovescoins

    Now listen boy, I'm tryin' to teach you sumthin' . . . . that ain't no optical illusion, it only looks like an optical illusion.

    My mind reader refuses to charge me....
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,131 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I realize, that the $600 threshold is in place for 2022, but there was no indications, that I'm aware of, that deposits made in 2021 to a paypal account, whether it was via the friends and family or auction option, would generate a 1099K,

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,271 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ms71 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @ms71 said:
    I am sooo glad I'm not a dealer.

    In your eyes, or the eyes of the IRS?

    Both, it must be a nightmare.

    Actually, it's pretty easy. It's only a problem for people who are acting like a business but pretending they aren't.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,271 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OPA said:
    I realize, that the $600 threshold is in place for 2022, but there was no indications, that I'm aware of, that deposits made in 2021 to a paypal account, whether it was via the friends and family or auction option, would generate a 1099K,

    A company can issue a 1099 anytime they want. The threshold triggers a requirement to issue one.

  • JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I should just quit paying my taxes. By the time they throw me in jail they can pay for my diapers.

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,131 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @ms71 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @ms71 said:
    I am sooo glad I'm not a dealer.

    In your eyes, or the eyes of the IRS?

    Both, it must be a nightmare.

    Actually, it's pretty easy. It's only a problem for people who are acting like a business but pretending they aren't.

    Spoken like the dealer that you are. Unfortunately, your comment is not applicable to a great number of ebay sellers, who peddle their "worn out shoes or pet rocks" as a means to make a few bucks.

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • CuKevinCuKevin Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭✭

    @OPA said:
    showing 7 transactions for a total of $625? With one for a "friend & family" transaction It appears, that paypal is sending out 1099 for ff transactions which are not involved in any type of sale. My grand daughter also received one and she did receive several ff gifts.

    You’ve likely since received an email that the form was sent to you in error.

    Zircon Cases - Protect Your Vintage Slabs www.ZirconCases.com
    Choice Numismatics www.ChoiceCoin.com

    CN eBay

    All of my collection is in a safe deposit box!
  • ms71ms71 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @ms71 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @ms71 said:
    I am sooo glad I'm not a dealer.

    In your eyes, or the eyes of the IRS?

    Both, it must be a nightmare.

    Actually, it's pretty easy. It's only a problem for people who are acting like a business but pretending they aren't.

    Yup. The IRS wants that 15.3% self-employment tax as well as the tax on any net profit.

    Successful BST transactions: EagleEye, Christos, Proofmorgan,
    Coinlearner, Ahrensdad, Nolawyer, RG, coinlieutenant, Yorkshireman, lordmarcovan, Soldi, masscrew, JimTyler, Relaxn, jclovescoins

    Now listen boy, I'm tryin' to teach you sumthin' . . . . that ain't no optical illusion, it only looks like an optical illusion.

    My mind reader refuses to charge me....
  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,547 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Seriously? You've always been responsible for reporting income and paying taxes. You've always been responsible for reconciling transactions. If you don't it's always all been considered income.

    Just do what the tax pros do. Create a worksheet documenting your calculations, provide copies of the documentation. Label it clearly - US IRS 1040 Line 17 Worksheet for NAME (SSN).

    Oh, and don't wait until the last minutes - you'll have to file on paper. This is why the tax returns for big partnerships run to 1000s of pages.

    The IRS will scan and OCR your return and feed it into the giant maw. Along with all of the documentation they receive, including the 1099 you receive. The computers will match documents and kick out any anomalies over some threshold at some point, which gets you a letter. You respond to the letter with a copy of "the worksheet attached to the return for US IRS 1040 Line 17". That's probably the first time a human sees it. If they like what they see, they close out the file.

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BStrauss3 said:
    Seriously? You've always been responsible for reporting income and paying taxes.

    You can lead a horse to water...

  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

    IRS backlog is currently 19 million unresolved problems from last year, we may all be dead when they catch up.

    ANA-LM, NBS, EAC
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,131 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CuKevin said:

    @OPA said:
    showing 7 transactions for a total of $625? With one for a "friend & family" transaction It appears, that paypal is sending out 1099 for ff transactions which are not involved in any type of sale. My grand daughter also received one and she did receive several ff gifts.

    You’ve likely since received an email that the form was sent to you in error.

    Have not....

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2022 5:44AM

    @OPA said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @ms71 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @ms71 said:
    I am sooo glad I'm not a dealer.

    In your eyes, or the eyes of the IRS?

    Both, it must be a nightmare.

    Actually, it's pretty easy. It's only a problem for people who are acting like a business but pretending they aren't.

    Spoken like the dealer that you are. Unfortunately, your comment is not applicable to a great number of ebay sellers, who peddle their "worn out shoes or pet rocks" as a means to make a few bucks.

    I was responding specifically to someone who said it must be hard to be a dealer. Your comment is, therefore, a non sequitur.

    Peddling worn out shoes yield no taxation as they are sold at a loss.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,271 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @BStrauss3 said:
    Seriously? You've always been responsible for reporting income and paying taxes.

    You can lead a horse to water...

    Can you lead a recalcitrant horse to water? It is seemingly impossible.

  • JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @OPA said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @ms71 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @ms71 said:
    I am sooo glad I'm not a dealer.

    In your eyes, or the eyes of the IRS?

    Both, it must be a nightmare.

    Actually, it's pretty easy. It's only a problem for people who are acting like a business but pretending they aren't.

    Spoken like the dealer that you are. Unfortunately, your comment is not applicable to a great number of ebay sellers, who peddle their "worn out shoes or pet rocks" as a means to make a few bucks.

    I was responding specifically to someone who said it must be hard to be a dealer. Your comment is, therefore, a non sequitur.

    Peddling worn out shoes yield no taxation as they are sold at a loss.

    If you sell enough worn out shoes and pet rocks at a loss you still get a 1099-k.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,271 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JimTyler said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @OPA said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @ms71 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @ms71 said:
    I am sooo glad I'm not a dealer.

    In your eyes, or the eyes of the IRS?

    Both, it must be a nightmare.

    Actually, it's pretty easy. It's only a problem for people who are acting like a business but pretending they aren't.

    Spoken like the dealer that you are. Unfortunately, your comment is not applicable to a great number of ebay sellers, who peddle their "worn out shoes or pet rocks" as a means to make a few bucks.

    I was responding specifically to someone who said it must be hard to be a dealer. Your comment is, therefore, a non sequitur.

    Peddling worn out shoes yield no taxation as they are sold at a loss.

    If you sell enough worn out shoes and pet rocks at a loss you still get a 1099-k.

    Yes you do. But you don't pay tax on the gross amount. There are a number of ways you can reconcile the 1099 as nontaxable income. See @BStrauss3 comment above.

    People are making a proverbial mountain out of a mole hill.

  • JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @JimTyler said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @OPA said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @ms71 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @ms71 said:
    I am sooo glad I'm not a dealer.

    In your eyes, or the eyes of the IRS?

    Both, it must be a nightmare.

    Actually, it's pretty easy. It's only a problem for people who are acting like a business but pretending they aren't.

    Spoken like the dealer that you are. Unfortunately, your comment is not applicable to a great number of ebay sellers, who peddle their "worn out shoes or pet rocks" as a means to make a few bucks.

    I was responding specifically to someone who said it must be hard to be a dealer. Your comment is, therefore, a non sequitur.

    Peddling worn out shoes yield no taxation as they are sold at a loss.

    If you sell enough worn out shoes and pet rocks at a loss you still get a 1099-k.

    Yes you do. But you don't pay tax on the gross amount. There are a number of ways you can reconcile the 1099 as nontaxable income. See @BStrauss3 comment above.

    People are making a proverbial mountain out of a mole hill.

    I just read all that 💩. I wouldn’t do all that 💩 for the amount I’m talking about not even the $1000 they took me for and they probably count on that.

  • edited February 5, 2022 7:28AM
    This content has been removed.
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,271 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JimTyler said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @JimTyler said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @OPA said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @ms71 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @ms71 said:
    I am sooo glad I'm not a dealer.

    In your eyes, or the eyes of the IRS?

    Both, it must be a nightmare.

    Actually, it's pretty easy. It's only a problem for people who are acting like a business but pretending they aren't.

    Spoken like the dealer that you are. Unfortunately, your comment is not applicable to a great number of ebay sellers, who peddle their "worn out shoes or pet rocks" as a means to make a few bucks.

    I was responding specifically to someone who said it must be hard to be a dealer. Your comment is, therefore, a non sequitur.

    Peddling worn out shoes yield no taxation as they are sold at a loss.

    If you sell enough worn out shoes and pet rocks at a loss you still get a 1099-k.

    Yes you do. But you don't pay tax on the gross amount. There are a number of ways you can reconcile the 1099 as nontaxable income. See @BStrauss3 comment above.

    People are making a proverbial mountain out of a mole hill.

    I just read all that 💩. I wouldn’t do all that 💩 for the amount I’m talking about not even the $1000 they took me for and they probably count on that.

    Your choice.

  • JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yep. That link above is interesting. They don’t want you to pay tax on the $500 ten year old couch you sell for $200 but may need that 10 year old receipt and costly paperwork to file on that and all the basement accumulation you sell. This will theoretically add 8 billion over 10 years or they could get billionaires who find every way not to pay a penny and get that 8 billion in a year. Let’s see 30 trillion dollars debt today. 8 billion over 10 years minus the cost to implement is chump change.

  • CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,314 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is just WRONG on many fronts.
    I pay my sales taxes when ordering online.
    Paypal gifts should be off limits and I can understand some maximum, but $600 is ridiculous.

    “In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." - Thomas Jefferson

    My digital cameo album 1950-64 Cameos - take a look!

  • ms71ms71 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2022 11:12AM

    I had a small mail-order business (not coins) in the 1990s. Schedule C isn't all that complicated. Once you get Schedule C completed, you'll need to do Schedule SE to figure your self-employment tax (15.3%) on the business's net profit. You should keep complete detailed records. Use a tax professional if you don't feel confident with the tax issues. I got out of the business after figuring something out one year - as close as I could figure it, I ended up with something between $6 and $7 an hour after taxes for all the time & effort I put into it. It took a lot of time & just wasn't worth it.

    Another factor to keep in mind if your small business nets substantial income. If your tax withholding at your day job is set up to come pretty close to your tax liability, the income from your small business may make it necessary for you to submit quarterly "Estimated Tax Payments" to the IRS to avoid coming up way short at tax time. Here again, using a tax professional is good advice.

    Successful BST transactions: EagleEye, Christos, Proofmorgan,
    Coinlearner, Ahrensdad, Nolawyer, RG, coinlieutenant, Yorkshireman, lordmarcovan, Soldi, masscrew, JimTyler, Relaxn, jclovescoins

    Now listen boy, I'm tryin' to teach you sumthin' . . . . that ain't no optical illusion, it only looks like an optical illusion.

    My mind reader refuses to charge me....
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,131 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 7, 2022 7:02PM

    It now appears, that ebay has mailed out thousands of 1099K's to customers that did not meet the 2021 threshold.

    when I inquired why I was issued one...the following was their response:

    "I'm sorry about this. To set a proper expectation, we have a system issue regarding for this 1099k form that was being sent to our sellers who did not meet the parameters. No worries about this (insert first name), we are already fixing this. Rest assured, as soon as possible this will be fix. I'm do apologize for this one."

    It appears to be a system issue, but the cs rep. could not give me an idea when it will be fixed

    These where mailed out, unlike the paypal one that was available online via download.

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,271 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Cameonut said:
    This is just WRONG on many fronts.
    I pay my sales taxes when ordering online.
    Paypal gifts should be off limits and I can understand some maximum, but $600 is ridiculous.

    What does sales tax have to do with capital gains?

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,271 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OPA said:
    It now appears, that ebay has mailed out thousands of 1099K's to customers that did not meet the 2021 threshold.

    when I inquired why I was issued one...the following was their response:

    "I'm sorry about this. To set a proper expectation, we have a system issue regarding for this 1099k form that was being sent to our sellers who did not meet the parameters. No worries about this (insert first name), we are already fixing this. Rest assured, as soon as possible this will be fix. I'm do apologize for this one."

    It appears to be a system issue, but the cs rep. could not give me an idea when it will be fixed

    These where mailed out, unlike the paypal one that was available online via download.

    It really doesn't matter whether they mail it or it's downloaded. It only matters if it was sent to the IRS.

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JimTyler said:

    @djm said:
    Check your States Laws in some states $600.00 is the limit for PayPal to send out 1099's.
    Don't ever send people money via PayPal, Zelle, Venmo...Once they receive over $600 in gifts or reimbursements, they will receive a 1099.

    If your granddaughter's gross income is less than the standard deduction, she doesn.t need to file income taxes.

    please provide the link for that quote, I need it to show a client

    Frank

    BHNC #203

Leave a Comment

BoldItalicStrikethroughOrdered listUnordered list
Emoji
Image
Align leftAlign centerAlign rightToggle HTML viewToggle full pageToggle lights
Drop image/file