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1970 Proof set small date vs big date help

I watched a video, from what I think is a trusted source, on youtube about valuable proof sets to own. I happen to have 3 1970 proof sets so I thought I'd look and see.

How does anyone tell the difference between a small and large date. I took photos of the date on the 3 pennies. They all look the same to me but maybe one of them looks different to you.
The scratches are on the plastic case. That weird dot on one of them is on the penny.

Thanks for your help as I'm still new to evaluatiing coins

Anthony



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  • Abbc10Abbc10 Posts: 63 ✭✭
    edited February 2, 2022 5:23AM

    see attachments. I tried to add a pdf or something weird

    s3.pdf 355.3K
    s1.pdf 482.5K
    s2.pdf 516.3K
  • Abbc10Abbc10 Posts: 63 ✭✭

  • Abbc10Abbc10 Posts: 63 ✭✭

    lets try this again

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,788 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2, 2022 6:16AM

    @Abbc10 said:
    How does anyone tell the difference between a small and large date.


    from article:
    https://www.pcgs.com/news/scarce-1970-s-small-date-lincoln-cent-varieties

    As @johnt mentioned, all yours are Large Dates.
    This is because they all have the Low 7.

    As often happens in the Red Book, the terms "Large Date" and "Small Date" were used,
    but there is a much better description!

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Large dates,.... also distinguishable by the 9 (upper curl larger on the large date).... Cheers, RickO

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,137 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I look at which side of the mintmark the inner loop of the 9 points to

    your middle one looks like it could be a rare double die FS-102

    varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20Doubled%20Dies%20Vol%202/1970SDDO003.htm

  • johntjohnt Posts: 48 ✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    I look at which side of the mintmark the inner loop of the 9 points to

    your middle one looks like it could be a rare double die FS-102

    varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20Doubled%20Dies%20Vol%202/1970SDDO003.htm

    I agree. It would be great to see closeups of the entire coin. There are other diagnostics for 102, one being a pretty strong thickening of Letters in liberty.

  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:

    your middle one looks like it could be a rare double die FS-102

    varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20Doubled%20Dies%20Vol%202/1970SDDO003.htm

    Good eye.

    Tempus fugit.
  • MarkKelleyMarkKelley Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The top and bottom coins are large date. The middle one is most likely the FS-102 large date over small date doubled die and as such quite valuable.

  • Abbc10Abbc10 Posts: 63 ✭✭

    I'll take better photos of the whole coin when I can get back home tonight.

    Thanks for all your help.

    Also, define "quite valuable"?

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,137 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $300 - $600+ depending on how nice and whether it is CAM or DCAM - no distracting dark spots or scratches

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,670 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2, 2022 11:13AM

    Although most 70-S Large date ungraded proof coins cents sell for a couple dollars.

    "When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,137 ✭✭✭✭✭

    yes, typical 1970 proof sets are roughly a $10 item with most of the value being in the 40% silver half dollar.

  • Abbc10Abbc10 Posts: 63 ✭✭

    ok I included all 3 1970s. 2 of each coin. I think the coin in question is in pics 2&3.

    Thanks agian for your help.






  • johntjohnt Posts: 48 ✭✭✭

    The thickening in liberty looks like 102 also. I've gone through all of John Wexler's DDO listings for 70s proofs and this one is the best match. Great find! You can check out Wexler's site at doubledie.com
    He lists it as WDDO-003.

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,137 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Could you provide close up of LIBERTY in 2nd coin. Also a reverse shot would be nice.
    My value estimate was too high because coin has a couple spots and cloudy.

    The first and third seem to be common lower valued cents.

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    I look at which side of the mintmark the inner loop of the 9 points to

    your middle one looks like it could be a rare double die FS-102

    varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20Doubled%20Dies%20Vol%202/1970SDDO003.htm

    I believe you're right. The 0 in the date, the mintmark location, and the bottom of the 7 all conform to the Large/Small date diagnostics.

    Congrats to you!

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • Abbc10Abbc10 Posts: 63 ✭✭







  • Abbc10Abbc10 Posts: 63 ✭✭

    thanks for the help. I have no ideea what it is I have but I'm excited that other collectors think its cool and maybe valuable.

    Also the coin is in very good condition the scratches and marks are on the plastic case.

  • Abbc10Abbc10 Posts: 63 ✭✭


  • MarkKelleyMarkKelley Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Still looks like the FS-102.

  • johntjohnt Posts: 48 ✭✭✭

    I agree. Good thickening of the letters in liberty. The notch in the bottom of the 9 is very easy to spot. I don't see any other 70s large date proofs cataloged that have that much seperation

  • Abbc10Abbc10 Posts: 63 ✭✭

    OK so the magic question is what is it worth and what do I do with it?

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's probably worth around $200.00, according to one I saw advertised. Do a search.

    Search for 170-S Lincoln Cent FS-102 and you should find some info and prices.

    You'll have to submit the coin to PCGS for slabbing under the Variety category.

    Good Luck! It's in your hands now.

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,288 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Abbc10 said:

    OK so the magic question is what is it worth and what do I do with it?

    Join PCGS and submit it. Or go to the BST forum and advertise it for sale, or trade for something else. The field is wide open. Enjoy ! That's the name of the game.

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,137 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Keep it or sell it.

    If you sell it, sell it now or invest time and money in hopes of increasing value.
    If you keep it, attach a post it note or something so you can keep it separate from the others and you can find it in the future.

    It will cost at least $50 and 3 months to get in slab ... risk getting it out of plastic case, but if everything goes well could increase value. Depending on how you sell and price wanted, it might take awhile.

    If you list on Buy, Sell Trade ... you might get $150 in next week without doing anything more - even though rare, the market for these is a little thin.

  • CRHer700CRHer700 Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hey @Abbc10 , did you ever submit this coin?

    God bless all who believe in him. Do unto others what you expect to be done to you. Dubbed a "Committee Secret Agent" by @mr1931S on 7/23/24. Founding member of CU Anti-Troll League since 9/24/24.

  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,654 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CRHer700 said:
    Hey @Abbc10 , did you ever submit this coin?

    Would love to know as well, I missed this thread when it was originally posted but the doubling jumped out at me from the first photo.

    Sean Reynolds

    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
  • Abbc10Abbc10 Posts: 63 ✭✭

    I have not done anything with this coin. I have never submitted a coin so I'm not a pro at doing so. Would I crack it out of the case to do so? Or should I just sell it as is to someone?

  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,654 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think you would need to crack it out of the set to submit it. I have just started submitting to PCGS again, you can sign up to submit yourself or find a local dealer to submit for you.

    Sean Reynolds

    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor

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