1970 Proof set small date vs big date help
Abbc10
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I watched a video, from what I think is a trusted source, on youtube about valuable proof sets to own. I happen to have 3 1970 proof sets so I thought I'd look and see.
How does anyone tell the difference between a small and large date. I took photos of the date on the 3 pennies. They all look the same to me but maybe one of them looks different to you.
The scratches are on the plastic case. That weird dot on one of them is on the penny.
Thanks for your help as I'm still new to evaluatiing coins
Anthony
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Those all look like large dates. The middle one looks like it might have some type of doubling however. Look at the difference in thickness of the numbers and it looks like some seperation on the bottom of the 9 and 7.
from article:
https://www.pcgs.com/news/scarce-1970-s-small-date-lincoln-cent-varieties
As @johnt mentioned, all yours are Large Dates.
This is because they all have the Low 7.
As often happens in the Red Book, the terms "Large Date" and "Small Date" were used,
but there is a much better description!
Large dates,.... also distinguishable by the 9 (upper curl larger on the large date).... Cheers, RickO
I look at which side of the mintmark the inner loop of the 9 points to
your middle one looks like it could be a rare double die FS-102
varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20Doubled%20Dies%20Vol%202/1970SDDO003.htm
I agree. It would be great to see closeups of the entire coin. There are other diagnostics for 102, one being a pretty strong thickening of Letters in liberty.
Good eye.
The top and bottom coins are large date. The middle one is most likely the FS-102 large date over small date doubled die and as such quite valuable.
The easiest way to figure out the difference is to look at LIBERTY, the Small Date version is lightly struck.
Pete
I'll take better photos of the whole coin when I can get back home tonight.
Thanks for all your help.
Also, define "quite valuable"?
$300 - $600+ depending on how nice and whether it is CAM or DCAM - no distracting dark spots or scratches
Although most 70-S Large date ungraded proof coins cents sell for a couple dollars.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
yes, typical 1970 proof sets are roughly a $10 item with most of the value being in the 40% silver half dollar.
ok I included all 3 1970s. 2 of each coin. I think the coin in question is in pics 2&3.
Thanks agian for your help.
The thickening in liberty looks like 102 also. I've gone through all of John Wexler's DDO listings for 70s proofs and this one is the best match. Great find! You can check out Wexler's site at doubledie.com
He lists it as WDDO-003.
Could you provide close up of LIBERTY in 2nd coin. Also a reverse shot would be nice.
My value estimate was too high because coin has a couple spots and cloudy.
The first and third seem to be common lower valued cents.
I believe you're right. The 0 in the date, the mintmark location, and the bottom of the 7 all conform to the Large/Small date diagnostics.
Congrats to you!
Pete
thanks for the help. I have no ideea what it is I have but I'm excited that other collectors think its cool and maybe valuable.
Also the coin is in very good condition the scratches and marks are on the plastic case.
Still looks like the FS-102.
I agree. Good thickening of the letters in liberty. The notch in the bottom of the 9 is very easy to spot. I don't see any other 70s large date proofs cataloged that have that much seperation
OK so the magic question is what is it worth and what do I do with it?
It's probably worth around $200.00, according to one I saw advertised. Do a search.
Search for 170-S Lincoln Cent FS-102 and you should find some info and prices.
You'll have to submit the coin to PCGS for slabbing under the Variety category.
Good Luck! It's in your hands now.
Pete
Join PCGS and submit it. Or go to the BST forum and advertise it for sale, or trade for something else. The field is wide open. Enjoy ! That's the name of the game.
Keep it or sell it.
If you sell it, sell it now or invest time and money in hopes of increasing value.
If you keep it, attach a post it note or something so you can keep it separate from the others and you can find it in the future.
It will cost at least $50 and 3 months to get in slab ... risk getting it out of plastic case, but if everything goes well could increase value. Depending on how you sell and price wanted, it might take awhile.
If you list on Buy, Sell Trade ... you might get $150 in next week without doing anything more - even though rare, the market for these is a little thin.
Hey @Abbc10 , did you ever submit this coin?
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Would love to know as well, I missed this thread when it was originally posted but the doubling jumped out at me from the first photo.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
I have not done anything with this coin. I have never submitted a coin so I'm not a pro at doing so. Would I crack it out of the case to do so? Or should I just sell it as is to someone?
I think you would need to crack it out of the set to submit it. I have just started submitting to PCGS again, you can sign up to submit yourself or find a local dealer to submit for you.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor